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the Talking Can 09-22-2008 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Zouk (Post 5044311)

The team won in San Diego last year with Huard at QB.

so what?

all that did was ensure we didn't get to draft Matt Ryan


that win was LITERALLY meaningless....

TEX 09-22-2008 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 5044277)
That's a load of crap. Whether Thigpen or Huard in there has absolutely nothing to do with the development of Albert or Niswanger. Cottam rarely sees the field. Bowe's numbers are BETTER with Thigpen than with Huard. All Huard ever does is throw a jump ball duck up to Tony Gonzalez or curl in the fetal position and take a sack. That doesn't help the development of the young guys any further. Winning? Who gives a crap about winning? This team wouldn't win no matter who was in at QB.
Bowe is partly to blame for DROPPING passes week 1. He should have made that TD catch. Huard put it right where it needed to be...

I agree with you in that regardless of the QB, this team can't win. But Huard is the best QB on the roster and that's sad...

TEX 09-22-2008 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 5044325)
so what?

all that did was ensure we didn't get to draft Matt Ryan


that win was LITERALLY meaningless....
We would NOT have drafted Ryan anyway. You know it. :shake:

Micjones 09-22-2008 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 5044325)
so what?

all that did was ensure we didn't get to draft Matt Ryan


that win was LITERALLY meaningless....
Winning games is NEVER meaningless. It helps build the morale of your younger players (and team) and gives them confidence that they can go out and beat a division rival on the road.

What purpose does losing, to evaluate talent, serve?

FringeNC 09-22-2008 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Zouk (Post 5044311)
No - with all due respect, that's a load of crap. The young guys need to win. The feeling of winning a game helps you see what all the work is for and helps you get better. Losing is contagious and leads to players shutting down.

The team won in San Diego last year with Huard at QB. Thigpen can't look respectable, let alone win.
I don't think losing hurts them long-term. What it does is make them more likely to quit on Herm, because they have no confidence in his schemes or play-calling or overall ability to coach. I don't think these guys will be damaged goods under the new coach because of Herm. Their growth will be hampered for sure, regardless of whether we win or lose, because of the poor coaching they receive now.

Herm is going to get fired, and get fired soon, because the team has quit on him. They may not hate him, but they have zero faith in his abilities.

the Talking Can 09-22-2008 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by TEX (Post 5044337)
We would NOT have drafted Ryan anyway. You know it. :shake:
i don't know that....but i know we never had a chance because of some meaningless feel-good win for the 8-8 crowd....

Skip Towne 09-22-2008 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Redrum_69 (Post 5044267)
One NFL start and you guys are calling for a burning at the stake.


so with your rationale...no one gets a single chance to screw up.
Shut up. You sound like GoChiefs.

the Talking Can 09-22-2008 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 5044338)
Winning games is NEVER meaningless. It helps build the morale of your younger players (and team) and gives them confidence that they can go out and beat a division rival on the road.

What purpose does losing, to evaluate talent, serve?
so where is the morale from that win?

i still rather have something tangible, like a shot at a franchise QB....

TEX 09-22-2008 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 5044341)
i don't know that....but i know we never had a chance because of some meaningless feel-good win for the 8-8 crowd....

I understand your point but I bet we would have passed on Ryan because Carl and Herm were hell bent on proving something with Croyle. They have. They proved they're idiots for believing in the guy.

Chiefnj2 09-22-2008 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 5044349)
so where is the morale from that win?

i still rather have something tangible, like a shot at a franchise QB....
Did playing for draft picks ever get the Lions or Bengals over the hump?

the Talking Can 09-22-2008 10:28 AM
let's be absolutely clear about rebuilding:

winning games with your QBOTF behind center is important

winning games with a career backup, when your QBOTF isn't even on the roster, is not


i can't say it any more simply

DaKCMan AP 09-22-2008 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 5044288)
Three and outs severely cutdown offensive snaps.
Limited time hurts young players. Will Franklin and Jamaal Charles need a QB that can get them the football.

Bowe's going to get his regardless of whose at the helm.
He has that kind of talent.

This offense had success running the ball yesterday, but only the Atlanta defense gave them room to run. By the start of the Second Half they assumed we'd come out throwing the ball. Which would've been the case if we had a respectable signal caller.

Winning football games is what Herman Edwards, Carl Peterson and this team is being paid to do.
This is the NFL. You don't tank football games so you can evaluate a 7th Round draft pick.
Jamal Charles dropped at least 3 passes yesterday that hit him right in the hands with appropriate 'touch'. That's on him, not Thigpen.

Of course they WANT to win games. Having Damon Huard in there wont bring wins.

Micjones 09-22-2008 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 5044349)
so where is the morale from that win?
We won two of the next three games following that victory.

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i still rather have something tangible, like a shot at a franchise QB....
As would I, but I'm not going to intentionally throw a game on a chance that it improves my draft position.

Micjones 09-22-2008 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 5044372)
Jamal Charles dropped at least 3 passes yesterday that hit him right in the hands with appropriate 'touch'. That's on him, not Thigpen.
Can't argue with that.

But if you can honestly tell me that we did not squander a half-dozen possessions to begin the game I'll be quiet. If you don't think an entire half of offensive futility is hurting these young guys... You're crazy.

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Of course they WANT to win games. Having Damon Huard in there wont bring wins.
It'll give you a chance to win games.
Thigpen does not.

the Talking Can 09-22-2008 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5044368)
Did playing for draft picks ever get the Lions or Bengals over the hump?
that's due to their own incompetence....shitty GMs, and coaches....it did not have to turn out that way....


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