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tk13 10-14-2008 11:53 PM

We went through all that BS when we hired Herm. Not going through it again. I personally don't give two cents about any jaded Jets fan opinion. Blah, blah... You could make a list a mile long for most NFL coaches and their stupid decision. Even guys like Shanahan and Holmgren. Heck, a couple weeks ago Belichick got destroyed by the no-QB offense we all thought was a joke.

I don't think Herm's the greatest coach of all time, but I think you could do worse. You don't make the playoffs 4 times in 6 years on accident. You don't. I still believe that. If you don't, tough. That doesn't make you Bill Walsh, but it probably puts you in category with guys like Schottenheimer and way above guys like Linehan or Cam Cameron. I'll fight that to the death, because I'm right, the results prove it. If you gave him Bill Polian feeding him talent he would probably be thought of differently. Maybe not Super Bowls, but probably putting winning teams on the field. If you don't believe that, okay then, you can sit here and be beligerent for 300 some odd posts until your fingers fall off. Oh well. It's pointless... Herm will be lucky to accomplish anything else here.... the bottom line is the entire organization has been sucked into a vortex that will eventually result in nuking half the franchise before we get it right. I've stayed out of it, I'm not getting sucked into this giant ring of depression and anger most of you people have thrown yourself into. That's all I have to say on the matter.

ClevelandBronco 10-14-2008 11:55 PM

I still can't believe that incompetent twit beat the Broncos.

Good grief.

SBK 10-14-2008 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 5117304)
If Carl goes so does Herm, because that was HIS GUY. Bon voyage bitches!!!!!!!!!!!

New GM would expect his own coach. If Carl goes Herm will go with him, or we'll never find a GM....

ClevelandBronco 10-14-2008 11:56 PM

I'm really sorry that he extended his tenure.

Maybe that was the plan.

I can only hope.

Boris The Great 10-15-2008 01:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hamas Jenkins (Post 5117297)
Originally Posted by Sperm Edwards

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/9931/notagainin2.jpg

Seriously, hasnt this been picked apart enough over the years? Why not go around posting a compilation of quotes from Rerun or petegz or one of those guys, it would be just as good.

FringeNC 10-15-2008 04:57 AM

Regarding Herm being a good coach or not, other GMs will be smart enough to allocate the blame between Herm and Carl, and my prediction is that Herm will get enough of the blame as to never get another head coaching job again.

This feud between Carl and Herm is the most entertaining part of the season. It's like when Al Qaeda began to fight the Baath loyalists -- red on red violence as they say.

Chief Henry 10-15-2008 05:33 AM

Our organization is hopeless and or clueless, probubly both.

Messier 10-15-2008 05:40 AM

As bad as some of the stuff that's happening looks, I think it is necessary. This is the kind of thing that needed to happen to blow up the front office. We want Peterson gone, the only way that can happen, before his planned farewell, is for the Chiefs to be run into the ground. Yes, it should have been done when the Chiefs were merely mediocre and not really bad, but this was needed for real change to come.

I will be shocked if Peterson is retained after this season.

MahiMike 10-15-2008 05:47 AM

Herm = John McCain
Carl = George W

Both are now distancing themselves from ea other

milkman 10-15-2008 05:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boris The Great (Post 5117366)
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/9931/notagainin2.jpg

Seriously, hasnt this been picked apart enough over the years? Why not go around posting a compilation of quotes from Rerun or petegz or one of those guys, it would be just as good.

Some of that is without foundation, but there is a lot of it that is spot on.

Deberg_1990 10-15-2008 05:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach (Post 5117243)
Whitlock doesn't get it, does he? Nobody's buying tickets to watch a Carl Peterson and Herm Edwards football team, one way or another. For those who are, they are probably what Blob Gretz calls them, classless and deranged fans anyways.

Let me point this out to you Whitlock, if you are ever still lurking or posting on this board. Name one rookie player, outside of the secondary/defensive backs, that has shown considerate improvement from week in to week out?

Or even better, let's see if there has been any improvement as a team in whole? Other than the close NE game, and the possible fluke win aganist Denver, this team has been downright awful in all aspects of the game. If there isn't any improvement from either the team in some categories, or individual player(s) then who's to blame?

That's right, Herm Edwards and his coaching staff.

Whatever Whitlock, keep defending your so-called lover Herm Edwards, when it's clearly obvious to this fan that the shit has hit the ceiling fan. I'm tired of listening to Herm lame excuses on why things never work. "Oh, I don't know, because I haven't watched the tape yet."

Huh? :spock: Hello, Herm? Were you at the game, or were you fantasizing about your shenanigan needing some attention from your wife or mistress?

Whatever, Whitlock. I encourage you to read this post anyways, although I don't expect you to do so anyways, since you work for the almighty powerful Kansas City Star, and only your opinion matters, and everybody else's opinion don't mean diddly poo.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...49#post4975349

Did u miss this part?

"You can blame Herm for Kansas City’s 5-16 record over the past two seasons"

This column is more a dig on CP's love affair and unending loyalty to certain players and how it is negatively affecting the team.

dirk digler 10-15-2008 06:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5117271)
Herm, once again, throws anyone and everyone under the bus to save his own hide.

Don't say we didn't have plenty of advanced warning about his dumbassery and incompetence.

Yep this is nothing new. I hate Carl as much as anybody but Herm has just as much blame.

FAX 10-15-2008 06:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boris The Great (Post 5117366)
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/9931/notagainin2.jpg

Seriously, hasnt this been picked apart enough over the years? Why not go around posting a compilation of quotes from Rerun or petegz or one of those guys, it would be just as good.

I, for one, am very glad it was posted. I don't think I ever saw that before.

It's true, obviously, that any coach is going to make mistakes and you can dredge up those errors in judgement at any time. It comes with the job, I'm afraid. They keep records of statistics, after all, and fans (like this person) pay close attention. Herm is an interesting case, though.

He is one of the very few who appears committed to making the exact same mistakes over and over again. Why should any fan ignore that problem? To do so would either by optimistic to a fault, ambivalent about the team, or merely ignorant.

Herm is a strange man. He has been elevated far beyond his abilities and Chiefs fans (whose number I count myself among) are saddled with him. He is, therefore, fair game for those of us who have followed and supported and cheered for the team decades before Herm was thrust upon us.

FAX

Rausch 10-15-2008 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5117221)

You can blame Herm for Kansas City’s 5-16 record over the past two seasons, but it is unfair to make him culpable for the sad reality that things are likely to get worse before they get significantly better for the Chiefs.

Carl Peterson is responsible for that.

BS.

Peterson hired Herm. Traded for him even.

Your HC and GM should work as a team, even more so when the HC is the GM's choice. If it doesn't work with your old friend and first choice why would anyone think it could work with Peterson and someone who isn't?

When you fail it's not just one head. You can the GM which means the HC, Coordinators (at least most likely,) and even a good helping of position coaches as the new regime takes over.

You were hired to IMPROVE the team. If you can't after your fourth try (Carl, with 4 different HC's) or your third year (Herm) why keep these people around?

TEX 10-15-2008 06:55 AM

You can blame Herm for Kansas City’s 5-16 record over the past two seasons, but it is unfair to make him culpable for the sad reality that things are likely to get worse before they get significantly better for the Chiefs.

And I will. Herm is a terrible HC. He needs to go along with Carl. This organization needs a fresh start.


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