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Buehler445 10-20-2008 10:22 PM

Can't disagree with any of these points.

The team came out and played against NE, then has regresssed every week, save Shanarat giving them a game.

What we are doing is the opposite of progress.

PastorMikH 10-20-2008 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach (Post 5137058)
Now the 09 draft, it would be wise to get a QB. For unexplained reasons, if Stafford isn't there, and the next pick for a QB isn't until mid 1st round, and Oher, who is considered one of the top O-Linemen coming out in the 09 class, is there, do you pull the trigger on this? If so, then who's gonna play LT and RT?


On important key is AS SOON as FA occurs we should have some competent QB FAs showing up in KC to talk contracts. Face it, every good QB we've ever had came from another team. Odds are that our starting QB problem is more likely to be fixed through Trade/FA than it will be through the draft.

If we can land a couple of QBs through FA, then we don't have to reach for a QB and can take the best player available.

Reerun_KC 10-20-2008 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by PastorMikH (Post 5137049)
HEY!!! I'LL HAVE YOU KNOW....


That as an MU fan, I can spot a non-functional "Rebuild". Afterall, I've been hearing "Rebuild" and waiting since the 70s for it. I thought we were finally close, but after the last 2 weeks, I think its just the best tease so far.



BTW, I noticed the "Edmond" - I was right by there today. Had to go to OKC for some meetings - I was just east of all the TV/Radio towers south of you.

I live just north of the TV towers by a couple of miles...

I will send you a PM and next time you are in town. Drop me a dime and lets meet up....

'Hamas' Jenkins 10-20-2008 10:24 PM

If Stafford isn't there....

You draft Oher, slide Albert to LG, Move Waters to RG. You then need a center and a right tackle. Herb Taylor can possibly be an adequate RT. False starts with n00bs just happen. You then need to fill one position on the line.

Now, that's not addressing the potential that Barry Richardson has. If he shows an ability to be a road grader RT or a RG, then you can have Waters play center and the entire line is secure, save Waters, for quite a while.

The team still needs two DE's, a FS, MLB, as well as a QB.

We just need to flush Herm and Carl and this won't look nearly as bad.

'Hamas' Jenkins 10-20-2008 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by PastorMikH (Post 5137088)
On important key is AS SOON as FA occurs we should have some competent QB FAs showing up in KC to talk contracts. Face it, every good QB we've ever had came from another team. Odds are that our starting QB problem is more likely to be fixed through Trade/FA than it will be through the draft.

If we can land a couple of QBs through FA, then we don't have to reach for a QB and can take the best player available.

I'm sorry, but this is just fundamentally wrong. First of all, there are NO FA QBs worth pursuing.

Secondly, what do you notice about the Patriots, Colts, and Giants? All have home-grown QBs.

What worthwhile QB had the Colts developed in 40 years before Peyton Manning?

The Giants hadn't drafted a worthwhile QB in 25 years before Eli.

The Patriots had Drew Bledsoe and Tom Brady, but missed horribly on a number of other QBs.

Coach 10-20-2008 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5137091)
If Stafford isn't there....

You draft Oher, slide Albert to LG, Move Waters to RG. You then need a center and a right tackle. Herb Taylor can possibly be an adequate RT. False starts with n00bs just happen. You then need to fill one position on the line.

Now, that's not addressing the potential that Barry Richardson has. If he shows an ability to be a road grader RT or a RG, then you can have Waters play center and the entire line is secure, save Waters, for quite a while.

The team still needs two DE's, a FS, MLB, as well as a QB.

We just need to flush Herm and Carl and this won't look nearly as bad.

If that was the case, my scenerio would go like this.

Oher - LT
Waters - LG
Taylor - C
Rudy - RG
Albert - RT

Honestly, I don't think Waters have more than 3 years left to play at a very high level.

'Hamas' Jenkins 10-20-2008 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach (Post 5137156)
If that was the case, my scenerio would go like this.

Oher - LT
Waters - LG
Taylor - C
Rudy - RG
Albert - RT

Honestly, I don't think Waters have more than 3 years left to play at a very high level.

He's not really playing at a very high level now. Do you think that Taylor can play center?

SBK 10-20-2008 10:41 PM

The problem with our rebuild right now is the coaches and front office. I like that we've blown the roster up and sought to build it through the draft. I also think we have a lot of good players in place.

Now if we had coaches to make them great players.....

Until we correct the coaching and front office problems, and get a QB we're never doing anything.

Coach 10-20-2008 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5137161)
He's not really playing at a very high level now. Do you think that Taylor can play center?

Milkman has mentioned it several times, and I have as well. Taylor does have the smarts and he does held on his own very well at the RT spot. However, I don't think he's your prototypical RT. But Taylor uses his leverage pretty well to his advantage.

Isn't that what a center needs to use, leverage?

el borracho 10-20-2008 10:42 PM

How can you call it a rebuild when we don't have a legit coaching staff or QB? What are we building around? Bad philosophy and sub-standard players at the most important positions (QB, LT, DE)?

This isn't a rebuild; this is a pack of monkeys and hyenas humping a football.

ChiefsCountry 10-20-2008 10:53 PM

Really the blinded emotional hate of Carl and Herm have clouded alot of people's judgement for the real big picture. They are the major part of the problem but that should be taken care of soon, so lets look at the players. So no freaking Carl or Herm talk on the rest of this. Here is the depth chart of players that have shot at being something for the Chiefs:

QB - Croyle (backup QB or 3rd stringer, talent is there for that role)
RB - Charles, Smith, Savage
FB - Cox
WR - Bowe, Franklin, Bradley
TE - Cottam
T - Albert, Richardson, Taylor
G - Waters?
C - Rudy

DE - Hali, McBride, Johnston
DT - Dorsey, Tank
LB - Johnson, Williams, Walden
CB - Flowers, Carr
S - Morgan, Pollard, Page

The major needs are QB, DE, MLB, G, and Second WR. We got alot of the parts in place, there are some players that just need to be fit into there actual roles like Hali/Turk for example. They need to battle each on the LE spot. We are still 2 good drafts away from being really good. I think next year with the right draft and solid FA signings we can be back to the true fan range and then take up a spot after that.

TrickyNicky 10-20-2008 10:55 PM

If Stafford isn't there, trade down.

That said, I wouldn't mind taking Stafford with our first, and then seeing who falls into the second round. If Alex Mack or Brandon Spikes make it to us, we should be very happy.

Mecca 10-20-2008 11:00 PM

Rudy kind of sucks...

Coach 10-20-2008 11:01 PM

I should also point out that Milkman did say that Taylor is more of a cerebral type of guy rather than being purely athletic.

'Hamas' Jenkins 10-20-2008 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5137223)
Rudy kind of sucks...

he just sucks


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