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Coach 11-16-2008 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5225434)
Comparing the shit offense that Croyle was forced to work with last year to the one Thigpen is working with this year is completely illogical.

While true, the argument could be said that if Croyle did play the same offense that Thigpen did play, Croyle would have been easily snapped in half. And the shotgun does expose the QB to the D-linemen more often than not, because of the fact that he's already back there, and roughly D-Linemen will have their ears pinned back and going after him.

milkman 11-16-2008 08:44 PM

Hell must have frozen over.

little Roy just made a cogent point.

The Bad Guy 11-16-2008 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5225434)
Comparing the shit offense that Croyle was forced to work with last year to the one Thigpen is working with this year is completely illogical.

You talking about something illogical is hilarious.

royr17 11-16-2008 08:51 PM

I dont care if its not the same system or not, point is that Brodie Croyle did not get the job done, he had his chance, now its time to pass the keys over to Thiggy, and lets just see how he does from here on out.

Brodie Croyle's days as a Chief are history. Period. If he has any chance left to be a Chief it'll be to keep him around as a backup. Period.

StcChief 11-16-2008 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5225333)
Gailey's not "awesome".

Repeated calling LJ's number on the goal line instead of either spreading the offense with Charles in at feature back OR calling play action on the goal line was stupid.

Stupid.

agreed. Playing your old ways (Herm) cost you a TD

DeezNutz 11-16-2008 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5225354)
Dane, Brodie can flat out throw the football. He's a good player. He played well this year in camp, in preseason, and in the regular season. He just can't stay healthy. It's sad.

In the regular season? WTF? He didn't even last a full game, combined. We have no idea how he would have performed in the regular season. Based on last year, it wasn't real good.

Thigpen, over the last 4 games, has shown to be light years ahead of Croyle, the practice field All-Pro.

Mecca 11-16-2008 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Zouk (Post 5225353)
Yeah it was terrible coaching that made it so Wallace Gilberry, Jason Babin, Rocky Boiman, Weston Dacus, Brandon Carr, Maurice Leggett, and Ricardo Colclough couldn't stop the #1 offense in the NFL.

I regret not paying for this top-notch analysis.

Ah yes a Gunther excuse for every year he sucks right...

This defense sucked balls when all the starters were playing, they have a bunch of high picks on the line oh and not to mention Pollard who Gunther loved, the guy has 0 ability to judge players.

BigRock 11-16-2008 09:53 PM

If Gailey was so awesome, the Chiefs would have started the season running this type of offense instead of trying to run behind a line that can't open holes and trying to drop back and pass behind a line that couldn't protect.

Changing things up for the third-string QB because you already got the first two guys killed is not a sign of genius. It's a sign that you don't have any other options. And what's hilarious is that if you're talking about Herm, people will point that out all day long. But then the exact same people line up to teabag Gailey.

milkman 11-16-2008 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRock (Post 5225709)
If Gailey was so awesome, the Chiefs would have started the season running this type of offense instead of trying to run behind a line that can't open holes and trying to drop back and pass behind a line that couldn't protect.

Changing things up for the third-string QB because you already got the first two guys killed is not a sign of genius. It's a sign that you don't have any other options. And what's hilarious is that if you're talking about Herm, people will point that out all day long. But then the exact same people line up to teabag Gailey.

There are those that would argue that Herman ****ing Edwards cuffed him, and didn't allow him to open up until he got desperate.

In the end, I don't really give a rat's ass.

When the flushing is done, if he gets flushed with te rest of the turds, I ain't going to cry about it.

chiefzilla1501 11-16-2008 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Zouk (Post 5225353)
Yeah it was terrible coaching that made it so Wallace Gilberry, Jason Babin, Rocky Boiman, Weston Dacus, Brandon Carr, Maurice Leggett, and Ricardo Colclough couldn't stop the #1 offense in the NFL.

I regret not paying for this top-notch analysis.

This defense has been nothing but average at best (and that's being generous for 5 years under Gun's watch).

Can you blame it on players? No. He's had 9 first day picks in that time, he was given a blank check (he decided on Surtain, Bell, Knight, Hall)
Can you blame it on the head coach? No. He's served under 2 (Vermeil/Herm)
Can you blame it on the assistants? Maybe on the D-line. But he blamed Don Blackmon for poor coaching and had him canned, and now he's doing even WORSE than Blackmon
Can you blame it on him being in the booth? That's been covered--he's failed both on the booth and on the sidelines


This is a man who has blamed everyone and everything for his shortcomings, from his assistants, to his head coach, to the players underneath him. This is a man who has moved in and out of the booth because he thinks that's affecting his ability to coach. And while we can blame players, I've seen the coach on the other side of the ball, Chan Gailey, get significant improvement from a 6th round pick QB, a patchwork o-line, 4th string RBs because he designed a scheme that fits the players' talents.

The excuses are over. The good news is, hopefully the addition of JOhn Bunting as defensive consultant is a pretty strong signal that Gun's days are numbered.

FringeNC 11-16-2008 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 5225730)
This defense has been nothing but average at best (and that's being generous for 5 years under Gun's watch).

Can you blame it on players? No. He's had 9 first day picks in that time, he was given a blank check (he decided on Surtain, Bell, Knight, Hall)
Can you blame it on the head coach? No. He's served under 2 (Vermeil/Herm)
Can you blame it on the assistants? Maybe on the D-line. But he blamed Don Blackmon for poor coaching and had him canned, and now he's doing even WORSE than Blackmon
Can you blame it on him being in the booth? That's been covered--he's failed both on the booth and on the sidelines


This is a man who has blamed everyone and everything for his shortcomings, from his assistants, to his head coach, to the players underneath him. This is a man who has moved in and out of the booth because he thinks that's affecting his ability to coach. And while we can blame players, I've seen the coach on the other side of the ball, Chan Gailey, get significant improvement from a 6th round pick QB, a patchwork o-line, 4th string RBs because he designed a scheme that fits the players' talents.

The excuses are over. The good news is, hopefully the addition of JOhn Bunting as defensive consultant is a pretty strong signal that Gun's days are numbered.

I actually wholeheartedly agree with a Chiefzilla post. Wow.

blueballs 11-16-2008 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by royr17 (Post 5225429)
Will somebody please ban this douchebag, again. Brodie Croyle is good, shit, in your dreams. Maybe you just have a hard on for Croyle just like you have a hard on for LJ. Tyler Thigpen is a better QB, and in his 2nd year he has done better than Croyle, look what Croyle did in his 2nd year, what 6 TD and 6 INTS.

Here are the Comparisons :

Brodie Croyle
2006 - 3 for 7, 23 yards, 2 Ints, 11.9 QB Rating
2007 - 127 for 224, 1227 yards, 6 TDS, 6 Ints, 69.9 QB Rating

Tyler Thigpen
2007 - 2 for 6, 41 yards, 1 Int, 18.7 QB Rating
2008 - 123 for 230, 1337 yards, 10 TDS, 5 Ints, 76.3 QB Rating


So overall, who has been the better QB thus far, huh Claythan ?


WTF
did those stats come from

milkman 11-16-2008 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 5225733)
I actually wholeheartedly agree with a Chiefzilla post. Wow.

Except for the Bunting part, because that implies that he's fine with Herman ****ing Edwards as the HC (which, of course we know that he is).

I'm dreaming of a giant enema at Arrowhead.

teedubya 11-16-2008 10:05 PM

Lets not give Thigpen the keys to the castle yet...

last I checked neither Crodie Boyle nor Thigpen has won an NFL game as a starter yet.

Although, Thigpen is looking pretty damn good out there.

Mr. Flopnuts 11-16-2008 10:06 PM

Gun will positively not be back next year. Unless he moves down to linebackers coach, which knowing Gun, he may.


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