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Mecca 01-11-2009 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 5378357)
Dude, I said trade down, but "you can't pick this player at this point" is getting tired. If that player is the BPA you select him (Derrick Thomas, Junior Seau)

Derrick Thomas was a rush backer.... I don't believe non rushers backers are worth a pick that high, he'd have to literally be a every year pro bowler.

Mecca 01-11-2009 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny (Post 5378356)
Uh, completion % and QB rating are not the only stats. Thigpen threw, ran or caught for 22 TDs, way more than either Flacco or Ryan. And he had to dig an offense out of a hole after playing back up to the back up QB all camp and early in the season and could not count on his _efense for anything.

I commend both Ryan and Flacco for guiding their teams to 11-5 seasons and the playoffs. But they have far superior supporting casts.

You do understand the Chiefs ran a gimmick offense predicated on letting the QB make easy throws and throwing all the time...I'd hope he had alot of yards and TD's.

Basileus777 01-11-2009 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5378359)
Is Sanchez in the draft?

Sanchez and every significant underclassman has declared.

So you're high enough on Sanchez to take him at 3?


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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5378362)
Derrick Thomas was a rush backer.... I don't believe non rushers backers are worth a pick that high, he'd have to literally be a every year pro bowler.

Even the best LB prospects can easily disappoint if taken that high. Look at AJ Hawk. He's a solid player, but a solid OLB is never worth a top 5 pick.

Tribal Warfare 01-11-2009 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5378362)
Derrick Thomas was a rush backer.... I don't believe non rushers backers are worth a pick that high, he'd have to literally be a every year pro bowler.



Dude, at Alabama he did both blitzing and coverage

BigMeatballDave 01-11-2009 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny (Post 5378356)
Uh, completion % and QB rating are not the only stats. Thigpen threw, ran or caught for 22 TDs, way more than either Flacco or Ryan. And he had to dig an offense out of a hole after playing back up to the back up QB all camp and early in the season and could not count on his _efense for anything.

I commend both Ryan and Flacco for guiding their teams to 11-5 seasons and the playoffs. But they have far superior supporting casts.

Obtuse

Mecca 01-11-2009 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Basileus777 (Post 5378365)
Sanchez and every significant underclassman has declared.

So you're high enough on Sanchez to take him at 3?




Even the best LB prospects can easily disappoint if taken that high. Look at AJ Hawk. He's a solid player, but a solid OLB is never worth a top 5 pick.

I liked AJ Hawk but I'd just never use a top 10 pick on a OLB unless like I said 3-4 rush backer.

I'd likely take Sanchez in the spot if he persay didn't come out, I'd then default to my opinion the best player best upside player in this draft and take Taylor Mays.

EyePod 01-11-2009 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Basileus777 (Post 5378215)
Curry or Laurinaitis at 3 are pure insanity.

Curry isn't amazing. And he's not a Maualuga or a Cushing, who may be the product of their teammate. He does it all by himself. He would be a solid pick.

Mecca 01-11-2009 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by EyePod (Post 5378375)
Curry isn't amazing. And he's not a Maualuga or a Cushing, who may be the product of their teammate. He does it all by himself. He would be a solid pick.

That can be a problem.....playing with other players like the SC guys you mentioned means they understand scheme and assignment discipline better than a guy who has to be a 1 man team...

Tribal Warfare 01-11-2009 01:15 AM

Just to clarify I'm still on the Sanchez/Stafford bandwagon

Nightfyre 01-11-2009 01:16 AM

Wins: Thigpen - 2; Ryan - 11; Flacco - 11
YPA: Thigpen - 6.2; Ryan - 7.9; Flacco- 6.9

KCJohnny 01-11-2009 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Basileus777 (Post 5378365)
Sanchez and every significant underclassman has declared.

So you're high enough on Sanchez to take him at 3?

Link?

Basileus777 01-11-2009 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 5378384)
Wins: Thigpen - 2; Ryan - 11; Flacco - 11
YPA: Thigpen - 6.2; Ryan - 7.9; Flacco- 6.9

And YPA is pretty much the most important stat for evaluating qbs.

Basileus777 01-11-2009 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny (Post 5378386)
Link?

It was a hypothetical scenerio.

Mecca 01-11-2009 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny (Post 5378386)
Link?

Wow you're dense.

Nightfyre 01-11-2009 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Basileus777 (Post 5378388)
And YPA is pretty much the most important stat for evaluating qbs.

Pretty much.


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