None, but it's a RARE comment for a coach to make. I know Belichick hasn't said that about any other player he's had while with the Patriots.

I mean, the tuck rule Super Bowl...Vinatieri made so many ridiculous field goals leading up to the actual Super Bowl, especially against the Raiders, it was frightening...

Put Vanderjagt on the Patriots and they probably have 1 Super Bowl right now...so I'll give Tom terrific one MVP and Vinatieri two...

[must....stop....reading.....this....thread]

don't worry...I'm the same way when someone tries to tell me MJ isn't the best ever...

Except MJ is the best ever...so at least I'm in the right when I get so worked up about it...

You, on the other hand, are a Patriots fan in denial.

Be thankful for Tom Brady, but be reasonable.

He's the 2nd best QB in the NFL...I'd be totally content if the Chiefs landed the 3rd best QB in the NFL...just be happy your team has, easily, the 2nd best QB in the game.

On lunch, so I have some time, but I don't want to start this all up. FRankly, it's gotten old and boring. I'll let you have the last word if you wish after I make these points, though I doubt it's anything i Haven't already said in some other thread.

First, you can bet I'm thankful for having Tom Brady. :D

Second, I agree fully that 2001 involved alot of luck. But if you want to take that one away from us, you probably have to give us the SB last year, because 8 times out of 10, Tyree doesn't catch that ridiculous ball off his helmet, and we win that game too to complete the perfect season. So either way, it's 3 championships if you wish to try to "adjust for" luck.

While you try to suggest that I'm a Pats fan so I'm biased, I ntoe that you may be a Chiefs fan 1st, but you're obviously a Colts fan 2nd, so what is the point?

Finally, I will always agree that the Patriots had the more rounded teams, and the better coach. That's why they won more. I don't say that Brady is "obviously better" than Manning, as you say in reverse. But while you drool over Manning, you should remember that until 2007, Manning had BY FAR more talented players on the offensive side of the ball. It wasn't even close. While I agree Manning helped Harrison look good, that's a two way street, and Harrison certainly helped Manning look good as well.

How many future Hall of Famers has Manning played with offensively?
How many future Hall of Famers has Brady played with offensively?

Brady has had Randy Moss for 1 season.
Manning had Harrison all of his. AND Faulk. AND James.
AND a couple of good complimentary receivers.

Who the better QB is? That's debatable, but don't give me this crap about how Brady's had better offensive weapons. That's a joke.

There's also an article about how Manning did nothing to win his SB ring. He was mediocre during that game.

Goddamn. I hate this Manning vs Brady shit. It is old, stale just like redrum's mom.

Can't we start a new one?

Thiggy vs Delhoumme?
JeMarcus vs Kitna?

Lol. How about Carson's injuries vs. Brodie's? (You can't try and compare stats with those two)

No comparison....I would take Kitna over Jamarcus in a heartbeat! ;)

The debate was settled this year, plain and simple.

Peyton was the only reason the Colts were worth a damn.

Brady lasted 8 minutes and a backup college QB led the Patriots to 11 wins.

I'm sorry, but lightning didn't strike twice in New England...the system is a BIG part of every player's success for New England...QB included.

Would Brady have been in position to be considered 'best ever' if he were drafted by Kansas City in the 6th round? Very doubtful.

Would Peyton still be Peyton if he were a Chief? Yes.

now if the Pats decide they want to keep Cassell, and Brady becomes a Chief, sign me up =)

How the hell did you two turn this into a Brady vs Manning debate?

Can we all just agree that they're in a class of their own and by extension Warner isn't near as good as either and this writer is a fruitcake?

He started it [points at Hootie].

Yes, we can agree on that.