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RustShack 02-09-2009 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Basileus777 (Post 5472087)
I agree with you in general, but if you're seriously arguing that you would take Mays in the top 5, but not Ray Lewis, you are taking it way too far. Taking a MLB in the top 5 is rarely (almost neer) worth it, but for someone like Lewis it certainly is, especially since in this hypothetical we have the benefit of hindsight. Safeties shouldn't be taken the high anyway, Mays at 5 is a reach.

Great LB's don't come around as often as Safeties.

mylittlepony 02-09-2009 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5465855)
But I would never in a million years take a RB or a non rush LB in the top 5, guys like Lewis are a good example of why it's not needed. To many productive LB's are found at the bottom of the 1st and out of the 1st round.

Not to get cute but its 2001. You are standing there with a top 3 pick. Who do you pick?

You got to be looking at LT twice because despite being a RB he has been that franchise for pretty much his entire career.

DrRyan 02-09-2009 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by mylittlepony (Post 5472555)
Not to get cute but its 2001. You are standing there with a top 3 pick. Who do you pick?

You got to be looking at LT twice because despite being a RB he has been that franchise for pretty much his entire career.

In hindsight you would have to say LT. Only other reasonable option would be Seymour.

Mecca 02-09-2009 06:56 PM

I wouldn't have taken LT, I believe the RB position is a dime a dozen.

OnTheWarpath15 02-12-2009 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 5465574)
Just an observation about QBs...If a QB is good enough to draft anywhere in the first round, he is good enough to draft at any point in the first round in which he is the highest QB left on your board.

For the sake of argument, let's say that Stafford goes number 1. If the Chiefs would be willing to take Sanchez if they had the 20th pick, they should take him with the #3 pick. Either he's your franchise QB, and he's worth more than any other player in the draft, or he's a bust. If you don't think he's a potential franchise QB, you don't take him at all. If you think he has a legitimate shot at being THE guy, you take him regardless of your spot.

If the Chiefs draft him at 3 and he pans out, it's a great pick. If the Cardinals draft him at 31 and he flops, it's a blown pick. The Chiefs won't wish that they had traded down if Sanchez makes it big, and the Cardinals wouldn't be celebrating about not picking him earlier if he flops.

Exactly, and that's why people talking about Sanchez or Stafford being reaches are ri-goddamn-diculous.

Pioli took this approach LAST year.

Jarod Mayo was considered a late 1st to mid 2nd guy.

Rick Gosselin's final mock, which is annually the most accurate in the business, had him going to the Steelers at 23

Pioli was sold on him, knew he wasn't going to make it to their next pick at #62. So they took him.

Chiefnj2 02-12-2009 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5483912)
Exactly, and that's why people talking about Sanchez or Stafford being reaches are ri-goddamn-diculous.

Pioli took this approach LAST year.

Jarod Mayo was considered a late 1st to mid 2nd guy.

Rick Gosselin's final mock, which is annually the most accurate in the business, had him going to the Steelers at 23

Pioli was sold on him, knew he wasn't going to make it to their next pick at #62. So they took him.

How does the drafting of Mayo support the position that KC may draft Sanchez? If anything, it would support Curry. The Pats identified the best player and took him regardless of whether the "experts" had him ranked so high.

Tribal Warfare 02-12-2009 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5465326)
Mayock is also in the horseshit silly season part of the year, pre-combine. I don't think anyone on earth would agree that Brandon Pettigrew is the 5-6th best Senior, but that's what he had him ranked.

He also said Flacco was a reach at #17 too, so I wouldn't put much credence in his analysis when he acts like he pegged Flacco all along.

OnTheWarpath15 02-12-2009 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5483973)
How does the drafting of Mayo support the position that KC may draft Sanchez? If anything, it would support Curry. The Pats identified the best player and took him regardless of whether the "experts" had him ranked so high.

I'm not trying to support the position that we're definitely taking Sanchez.

Only pointing out that Pioli is going to take his guy at 3, even if the mouthbreathers here think he's a reach.

That goes for anyone, Stafford, Sanchez, Curry, whoever.

missinDThomas 02-12-2009 02:01 PM

dcprosportsreport.com/MockDraft.htm


i posted this on a Boldin thread. It is a site that has a pretty nice compile of mocks

melbar 02-12-2009 06:32 PM

If a guy is the most talented guy that year you take him. You take a QB that high, he better be ready to play in the near future especially for the jack you are gonna have to pay him. I know LBs are totally useless as evidenced by the Steelers. Curry comes up because 95% of the evaluators out there say he is an exceptional football player. Period. Thats why he is part of the discussion. Sanchez is young, has had an off the field issue, left his team early despite contrary advise from everyone, and was unable to beat out JD Booty. Thats why people are a little nervous picking him #3. Thats valid. Nobody is a f--kin idiot or needs a bullit in his head for feeling that way. If you cant see the validity of those issues your letting your heart rule your head.

doomy3 02-12-2009 06:52 PM

It will be hilarious if Freeman ends up being the best out of this class.

All the experts on here will be saying they called it 3 years from now.

keg in kc 02-12-2009 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5485244)
All the experts on here will be saying they called it 3 years from now.

No they won't. Folks generally admit when their opinions don't pan out.

Sometime ask how many people wanted Wendell Bryant instead of Ryan Sims, or how many people were happy at the time that we took Sims instead of Henderson or Haynesworth. You'll probably be surprised.

DaneMcCloud 02-13-2009 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by melbar (Post 5485173)
If a guy is the most talented guy that year you take him. You take a QB that high, he better be ready to play in the near future especially for the jack you are gonna have to pay him. I know LBs are totally useless as evidenced by the Steelers.

Yeah, because Harrison was a first rounder. So was Woodley.

:shake:

Mecca 02-13-2009 12:57 AM

The Steelers are a great example of how they cycle new LB's in and don't miss a beat, while walking away from big name players in the position.

DaneMcCloud 02-13-2009 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5486464)
The Steelers are a great example of how they cycle new LB's in and don't miss a beat, while walking away from big name players in the position.

Exactly.

Mel keeps bringing up ridiculous comparisons and reasons why the Chiefs shouldn't draft a QB.

I think he's Carl Peterson.


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