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Pitt Gorilla 02-11-2009 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Messier (Post 5478769)
Roy Williams is a multiple pro bowler, and now that Davis has switched to guard he has been to a pro bowl and is a top five guard.
I don't recall him being a multiple pro bowler. He was an alternate one year that was moved to the active squad due to injury, IIRC.

Mecca 02-11-2009 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by blaise (Post 5480204)
The list doesn't mean much unless you compare it to other schools with players taken in the Top 10. How have Ohio State, OU, Florida, or USC players taken in the top 10 done?
Ohio State probably has the best track record just going off the top of my head.

Buehler445 02-11-2009 08:02 PM
I think Cedrick Benson is certainly a dumb**** enough to be called a bust.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-11-2009 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Cyrus (Post 5481513)
Bobby Layne, Tommy Nobis, Earl Campbell.

Thread over.

How many of those ****s were taken in the last 30 years?

Messier 02-11-2009 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 5480230)
I don't recall him being a multiple pro bowler. He was an alternate one year that was moved to the active squad due to injury, IIRC.
He was a five time pro bowler.

Messier 02-11-2009 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5480010)
There isn't a team in the league that would go into the draft hoping to find a pro bowl, or even top 5 guard in the league, with the #2 overall pick.
I disagree. The draft is a crap shoot, even in the top five. It's not a certain proposition that a top five pick is going to be better than a 4th or 5th rounder. I think any player that turns into one of the best at his position for several years has to be seen as a success.

Messier 02-11-2009 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Messier (Post 5481556)
He was a five time pro bowler.
Crap! I was thinking of the safety. I'm an idiot. You're right. the wr was only an alternate once.

keg in kc 02-11-2009 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Messier (Post 5481567)
I disagree. The draft is a crap shoot, even in the top five. It's not a certain proposition that a top five pick is going to be better than a 4th or 5th rounder. I think any player that turns into one of the best at his position for several years has to be seen as a success.
Nobody's drafting a guard in the top 5. He'd make as much or more in his rookie contract than the highest-paid veteran guard in the league. It's not a blue chip position (ie DE, DT, QB, RB, CB, WR). Same reason tight ends and safeties usually go mid first (although some safeties have gone as high as 6).

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-11-2009 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Cyrus (Post 5481575)
It doesn't matter. It's not going to stop me from sending my football scouts to Austin. More often than not, you'll find more football players there than Columbia, Manhattan and Lawrence combined.
Better than bad does not = good.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-11-2009 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Messier (Post 5481577)
Crap! I was thinking of the safety. I'm an idiot. You're right. the wr was only an alternate once.
Roy Williams the safety is proof positive of the idiocy of the Pro Bowl selection process. That **** makes Bernard Pollard look like Troy Polamalu.

Messier 02-11-2009 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 5481579)
Nobody's drafting a guard in the top 5. He'd make as much or more in his rookie contract than the highest-paid veteran guard in the league. It's not a blue chip position (ie DE, DT, QB, RB, CB, WR). Same reason tight ends and safeties usually go mid first (although some safeties have gone as high as 6).
But is he a bust?

keg in kc 02-11-2009 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Messier (Post 5481590)
But is he a bust?
If he doesn't make it at left tackle, it means you're stuck spending another draft pick and draft pick contract, or free agent dollars, on another left tackle. So you're spending left tackle money on two linemen because he failed to meet expectations. That's a bust in my book.

Same would go for a CB you had to convert to safety. Busted pick.

The Buddha 02-11-2009 08:35 PM
What about Ricky Williams? He better than some high-end draft picks.

He may have turned into a lazy pothead, but He's better than Rashaan Salaam or Ki Jana Carter, etc. He had a few good years in.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-11-2009 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Cyrus (Post 5481602)
Like easymobee alluded to, the list is hardly a group of stiffs. Pro Bowlers and starters amongst all of them. Even the biggest turd, Cedric Benson, was a starting running back last year.

It's not like all Longhorns players that go high miss -- Casey Hampton, Shaun Rogers, Aaron Ross, Nathan Vasher, Michael Griffin.
And none of those guys were taken in the top 10

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-11-2009 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by The Buddha (Post 5481603)
What about Ricky Williams? He better than some high-end draft picks.

He may have turned into a lazy pothead, but He's better than Rashaan Salaam or Ki Jana Carter, etc. He had a few good years in.
Because, you are looking for, "A few good years" from the most replaceable position in football when taken in the top five.

When you spend a pick that high on a running back, you are hoping for Adrian Peterson, not Ricky Williams.


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