You do realize that people could have just as easily outlawed the Wing T, The I-Formation, The West Coast Offense, the Shotgun formation, the Option, Flexbone, Wishbone, the Run and Shoot, the K-Gun, and the Spread from the argument that you are making.

Or, let's do it this way:

"Hey, that lineman is dropping into zone coverage and the linebacker is going after the quarterback. That's bullshit. They are taking advantage of a loophole in the rules. Lineman are supposed to rush the passer and stop the run, not defend the pass.

What a ****ing bunch of cockamamie cheating bullshit!!"

Come on Hamas. Please tell me what made any of those listed formations illegal? Each one of those formations fulfills the rules for pass eligibility for an offensive play.

The reason A-11 is different than each of the offenses you listed, is that the A-11 isn't an offense. It's a formation only allowed for a scrimmage kick. It can't even be called an "offense". It's only seen as legal when in the formation for a scrimmage kick. And only then if all the players are wearing "receiver" jersey numbers. The fact that these teams are passing out of a scrimmage kick formation is the entire point here.

The Wing T, The I-Formation, The West Coast Offense, the Shotgun formation, the Option, Flexbone, Wishbone, the Run and Shoot, the K-Gun, and the Spread all are legal offensive formations. And each of those can be run regardless of receiver jersey numbers. None of these offenses require that you call the formation something other than an "offensive formation".

Should be up to the athletic association in question. End of dispute.

The defense can't stop the offense from scoring? Sounds like it's the D's problem.

Do you recall the debate over the legality of the forward pass?

Or the fact that pre-snap motion could have been considered exploiting a loophole.

Or the tackle eligible play.

The huddle.

7 guys on the line

The funny thing is that the inferior talent of Notre Dame triumphed over the powerhouses of the day, like Army, by using a little known and employed system called the forward pass, something strangely similar to how these A-11 schools can compete with inferior talent.

Would you feel comfortable in telling Knute Rockne that his offensive scheme was "not football"?

Horrible argument. Leagues and state classifications are done by school size. If the schools they are playing are too large then they should change conferences. The rule is only in place on kicks to allow the team to get down the field for coverage. Anything else is bull.

it's high school, not professional.


i have no problem with them making rules concerning sportsmanship and competitive balance.

And nobody mentions the Houston Veer.

The forward pass is a GOD DAMNED JAP PLAY.

**** tits man. The legality of the forward pass? Seriously? The forward pass debate was held over 100 years ago. Pre-snap motion has been an accepted rule for about 90 years. Teams have been "huddling" since the 1890s. The rules you list have been part of the game for a long long time. They've been accepted for multiple decades. How the hell are you even beginning to compare any of that to the A-11? Fundamental changes that were made to the game 100 years ago don't justify the loophole used in the A-11 over the last 2 years. And since the A-11 was conceived, it has been analyzed and rejected by all current sports establishments except certain high schools. The NFL, and NCAA agree that this isn't a change they want made to the game.

And no, Knute's offense would be against the rules today. It definitely has it's place in the history of the game, but in today's game you can't run the multiple motions before the offense is set like he did in that day. The NCAA would tell him as much if he were a coach today.

This has nothing to do with "making" a rule to bring about competitive balance. That's simply justification that is being made by A-11 supporters. They found a loophole in the current rules and decided to exploit it. The didn't add anything for the sake of sportsmanship. There was no new rule put in place. They just found an unfair advantage that they could exploit only because the current rules don't explicitly forbid it. Which is currently being changed according to the article.

I'm confused???? How does the A-11 offense insult any friends/family and if not then why should it be banned?

So were their legalities once debated, or were they not?

I forgot that organized sports are monolithic. Sorry.

Please see:

Square Grooves
The Neutral Zone Trap
The Shot Clock

dude ... you miss understand me

i have no problem with them making a new rule to close the loophole for this new offense.


this title of the thread sound like the OP was crying about people wanting to use rules to stop this new offense because they couldn't stop in on the field.

like i said .... it's high school, so i don't care if they are using rules just to stop this offense.