Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5516003)

We have seen example after example of QB's coming out with little experience and flaming out in the NFL. Akili Smith was a senior, but actually had starting experience similar to that of Mark Sanchez.

It isn't just his lack of experience. It is his ability to handle the pressure of being a high first round guy and a 'savior' of a franchise.

For crying out loud, the kid looked tight at the combine today.

See, I am not 'trying' to bash the kid. I WANT to believe in him. I want the Chiefs to have a great QB. I want him to be worthy of the #3 pick.

But, every stone I uncover about him, I find another red flag.

I was really hoping to see him spin the ball well today at the combine and he was very dissapointing. I would have thought he had an arm like Marino from the gaga posters on this board.

He had a long delivery, a slow release, the balls didn't have a ton of zip on them AND he wasn't accurate.

All the things I thought were his 'positives'... he failed to deliver on today.

I just don't think he has the maturity to handle the NFL. I think his parents and his coaches know him better than we do... well, at least better than I do.

But, again, I am just trying to look at all angles.

I don't think a ILB is worth the #3 pick. I don't think a WR on this team is worth the #3 pick. I don't think a RT is worth the #3 pick.

However, I would rather have great players at those positions than a bust at QB in the name of attempting to draft a franchise QB.

JMO.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5516019)

Akili Smith is a great comparison.

I know this is supremely unimportant, but what type of offense was Smith coming from again?

Oh yeah. Those little details can be a bitch sometimes.

Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5516017)

Well, to be fair, when making decisions, history is something that needs to be looked at. If there is completely overwhelming history as there is in this case, there better be NO questions, and I just don't see that being the case here.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5516029)

Overwhelming history?

That list of QBs has three QBs who I believe were first round picks, of which only one, Alex Smith, might be considered to be on his way to busting.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5516029)

Overwhelming history?

That list of QBs has three QBs who I believe were first round picks, of which only one, Alex Smith, might be considered to be on his way to busting.

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 5516032)

That would be considered overhelming?

Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5516044)

Well, if for once in your life you actually knew what you were talking about instead of immediately agreeing with one of about 5 posters, your opinion may actually mean something.

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 5516057)

Coming from you, that actually means alot... ROFL I failed to realize your opinion is well respected thoughout the NFL... Just like the rest of ours... ROFL

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5516010)

No, I called you names because you I made a couple of concessions in our debates, and you refused to even attempt to meet in the middle.

So, go fist yourself.

Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5516042)

Michael Vick Virginia Tech 2001
Rex Grossman Florida 2003
Ben Roethlisberger Miami (Ohio) 2004
Aaron Rodgers California 2005
Alex Smith Utah 2005
Vince Young Texas 2006
JaMarcus Russell LSU 2007


Well these are all first rounders, so there have been 7 actually since 1998. I would say that all but Ben and Rodgers have been pretty underwhelming, and the jury is still out on Russell.

Originally Posted by kstater (Post 5516022)

Do you think in a year or two he'll have the maturity to play in the NFL? Or is he a lifelong rapist.

Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5516065)

You 'concessions' were justifications about his poor performance today. The 'pressure' got to him. (That is what I want in a QB, someone who caves under the pressure of working out in shorts and a t-shirt).

I would go fist myself, but I've got my hands full... one hand is in your mom the other is in your sister.

Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5516073)

I think he would be fine as a developmental prospect, but that isn't worth the #3 pick. #3 picks are supposed to be polished players that are ready to play this year, and be impact players next year.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5516069)

You're making a very reductive argument here.

So, yes, at first glance one can say only Roethlisberger and Rogers are looking like strong selections. But let's factor in other elements, like the biggest one: what type of offense were these players running in college?

I'm sorry, anyone who couldn't see that Vince Young was going to be a ****ing disaster was a complete idiot, even more than Young himself with his 6 Wonderlic.

You can't just look at this list and say, "Yep. 33% change of success."

But even if you did do that type of half-ass analysis, 33% chance of landing a franchise QB is pretty damn good.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5516069)

You're making a very reductive argument here.

So, yes, at first glance one can say only Roethlisberger and Rogers are looking like strong selections. But let's factor in other elements, like the biggest one: what type of offense were these players running in college?

I'm sorry, anyone who couldn't see that Vince Young was going to be a ****ing disaster was a complete idiot, even more than Young himself with his 6 Wonderlic.

You can't just look at this list and say, "Yep. 33% change of success."

But even if you did do that type of half-ass analysis, 33% chance of landing a franchise QB is pretty damn good.