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SenselessChiefsFan 03-06-2009 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 5560683)
I really don't think we're going to a 3-4.

I think Vrabel's position here is a passing down rush end. At this point in his career, it's a smart way to use him.

We don't have a NT. We just don't. We didn't make a play for any of the guys in FA that fit that spot.

We don't really have 3-4 ends. If we were really going to do this, I think we'd have at least looked at Olshansky.

We would basically be wasting last year's #5 overall pick. Also a waste of Hali. So we waste 50% of our last 4 first round picks to switch to a defense we have basically NO personnel for.

We're short at least 1 starting OLB for a 3-4, and really would need another player that could take a lot of snaps as Vrabel is going to need a breather at this stage of his career. Didn't even look at Dansby.

I don't buy it. What's the upside? I don't see any.

I think people are grasping at straws.

Really, the way many teams run the 3-4, it is more like a 5-2.

I think that they will have Vrabel on one side, Hali on the other. I think McBride and Boone play end. I think Dorsey plays NT on passing downs and DE on passing downs.

Igor plays the one position that I think they are very stacked at for the 3-4.

The Chiefs will draft Curry (IMO), put him inside with DJ, and allow Pollard to play in the box.

I think the Chiefs are definitely going to the 3-4, and I think Pollard, DJ and Hali will all benefit from it. Oh, and I think that Dorsey will be much better than most understand.

KCrockaholic 03-06-2009 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 5560787)
I don't think Hali is a bad DE. But I think his role as a rotational DE--that's not a bad thing, but he's not a guy you build a defense around and he is certainly expendable. I say that not because of the numbers he put up last year, but about how completely incapable he was of getting around left tackles. It seems like his success came mostly from Jared Allen pushing quarterbacks in Hali's direction.

So yeah, I think hali could do fine as a rotational DE, but he's not a guy that should stop the chiefs from completely revamping the defense.
Id say your correct here. At this point of his career he probably is best as a rotaional DE, but this doesnt mean he is a waste of a pick. He can still bring some value to the team, and like ive said, I wont judge him to much until he has a better D around him. Im not saying Carr or Flowers did a bad job last year, but, maybe if they had played better man coverage on blitzes they would have stalled the QB a little longer and allowed our front to reach the QB more often....Now this goes both ways, as DL and CB play off eachother like a marriage. They both have to be doing the right thing to be successful. When the DL gives push, it allows the CBs to make plays on poorly thrown balls. When CBs hold down their man, it allows the DL to have more time to get to the QB...In the end, this defense was just horrible, and it was very hard to say much about any of our players because they just didnt have a chance.

Hammock Parties 03-06-2009 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5560830)
Igor plays the one position that I think they are very stacked at for the 3-4.
ROFL

This shit is unbelievable. We have ZERO starting 3-4 defensive ends on the roster. McBride might be a good backup.

Pioli took one look at Hali and probably thought "OK, I better trade for Vrabel or something."

SenselessChiefsFan 03-06-2009 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 5560723)
3 average years. The guy was a First Round draft pick and projected to be great. He has produced an average of 6 sacks and 43 tackles per season.

Yes, the defense sucks... But Tamba hasn't lived up to his hype.
Tamba is the most underated player on the defense. He was injured last year, but the Chiefs were so thin that he couldn't take any games off to get healthy.

Titty Meat 03-06-2009 12:50 PM
Hali can play linebacker!1!

Hammock Parties 03-06-2009 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5560838)
Tamba is the most underated player on the defense. He was injured last year, but the Chiefs were so thin that he couldn't take any games off to get healthy.
Sorry, he ****ing sucks. And he's garbage in a 3-4.

Titty Meat 03-06-2009 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5560838)
Tamba is the most underated player on the defense. He was injured last year, but the Chiefs were so thin that he couldn't take any games off to get healthy.
Yea he's been getting blocked vs the run ever since he came in the league

SenselessChiefsFan 03-06-2009 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5560834)
ROFL

This shit is unbelievable. We have ZERO starting 3-4 defensive ends on the roster. McBride might be a good backup.

Pioli took one look at Hali and probably thought "OK, I better trade for Vrabel or something."
Boone is perfect at the position. Dorsey can swing inside and outside and McBride is a perfect fit.

Time will tell.

KCrockaholic 03-06-2009 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5560842)
Sorry, he ****ing sucks. And he's garbage in a 3-4.
only problem is that weve never seen him play in a 3-4! how can you judge so quickly when it hasnt even happened yet?

SenselessChiefsFan 03-06-2009 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by billay (Post 5560846)
Yea he's been getting blocked vs the run ever since he came in the league
Agree with that. That is why I think the move to OLB will greatly benefit him.

It will allow him to use his speed and athleticsm.

chiefzilla1501 03-06-2009 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5560826)
Of course Herm was a part of the problem, and a big part at that. However, when a team fields an historically bad unit, all of the parts are working to contribute to building the massive shit burger.

I think what we're going to see is that the biggest part of the problem was an overall lack of talent.

This unit is still going to be carpet bombed, IMO.
Yup. The only guy that keeps you from running a 3-4 is dorsey. Much as I like the guy, you don't resist a scheme switch because of one guy, no matter how good he is. There was never a better time to consider a defensive switch than now.

DeezNutz 03-06-2009 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5560838)
Tamba is the most underated player on the defense. He was injured last year, but the Chiefs were so thin that he couldn't take any games off to get healthy.
Wow. Underrated?

Hardly. The guy ****ing sucks and was a terrible first-round selection. You want something more than a rotational player at this draft slot.

Titty Meat 03-06-2009 12:55 PM
Alfonso Boone is a fossil and Mcbride sucks

DeezNutz 03-06-2009 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 5560866)
Yup. The only guy that keeps you from running a 3-4 is dorsey. Much as I like the guy, you don't resist a scheme switch because of one guy, no matter how good he is. There was never a better time to consider a defensive switch than now.
Flushing the #5 overall selection is just dumb as **** on so many different levels.

You also have to consider how the switch would affect the secondary. Flowers is very promising, too.

That said, it's hard to be more talent depleted than what the D currently is.

Titty Meat 03-06-2009 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5560876)
Flushing the #5 overall selection is just dumb as **** on so many different levels.

You also have to consider how the switch would affect the secondary. Flowers is very promising, too.

That said, it's hard to be more talent depleted than what the D currently is.
I don't think it matters under the Patriots way if you don't play you get dumped.


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