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RINGLEADER 03-08-2009 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 5565774)
What does Pioli need to publically explain? He obviously loves Cassel - he gushed over him during the introductory press conference. He also said that the HC would be the voice of the franchise.

This article reeks of a pissed-off journalist who has been completely shut out.

Pretty much.

Whitlock is desperate to stay relevant.

And someone needs to tell him that no one cares about his "King Carl" schtick anymore.

DeezNutz 03-08-2009 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by C-Mac (Post 5565758)
But overall, we attempt to be a watchdog of those with power. When we fail to play that role, generally speaking, terrible things happen. The Iraq War is a worst-case scenario. We trusted our president implicitly, led the cheers when we declared war on Iraq and declined to demand answers to difficult questions. Hundreds of billions of dollars later, and with our economy in collapse, we now blame poor, minority homeowners for the fall of our society.

Wow.

This type of unbelievably reductive approach to complicated issues is staggering.

Congrats, Jason!

Adept Havelock 03-08-2009 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by RINGLEADER (Post 5565900)
Pretty much.

Whitlock is desperate to stay relevant.

And someone needs to tell him that no one cares about his "King Carl" schtick anymore.

Stay relevant? :hmmm:

That implies he's been relevant at some time in the past. :shrug:

Mojo Jojo 03-08-2009 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefaholic (Post 5565866)
Comparing Pioli to Carl is rediculous. The two are night and day different in almost every aspect of the game.

1. Carl = 20 years....Advanced to AFC Championship once
Pioli = 6 years.....3 Superbowl Rings

2. Carl = Releys on free agency to patch holes for mediocracy
Pioli = Builds through draft and fills roster with second teir FA's

3. Carl = Strokes ego by telling media when he takes a piss
Pioli = Keeps internal decisions quiet until the "DEAL IS DONE"

4. Carl = SUCKS at drafting starter caliber players
Pioli = Proven record of drafting quality players in later rounds

5. Carl = Hated by other franchises, agents, players, and fans
Pioli = Respected by everybody that matters (**** the media)

6. Carl = Boo'ed by the fans in HIS stadium
Pioli = Fans cheered as he hoisted the Lombardi Trophy

7. Carl = Spends the offseason on vacation and making speeches to the media to stroke his ego

Pioli = Spends the offseason hiring the best staff possible, studying game tape, looking for AFFORDABLE FA's that allow us to build a TEAM, and preparing for the draft in detail.



I could go on for hours....

I know you could and it still would be useless...

1. What has Pioli done without BB... a coach he didn't hire and TB a QB he didn't want to draft?

2. Carl did build through the late rounds...he just never hit on round 1 and 2.
FYI tier...i before e.

3. Everyone on this board bitched when Carl wouldn't give an up to the minute report, but Scott is a god for doing the same. FYI...if you think the NFL hated the Chiefs before wait until they do the Pats way. It will only get worse.

4.See number two.

5. WRONG. ESPN loved Carl...other teams knew Carl was doing well. Ask people and media...exect for the rings (yes a big deal) they hate the way the Patriots do business.

6. Yes he was boo'd so was Jack Stedman they man who talked Lamar into bringing the Chiefs to KC. Using your logic the Chiefs should never have come here because someone will get boo'd.

7. What do you know Scott is doing? I thought this was all about no info from One Arrowhead Drive.

Pioli is just another GM. He has done nothing on his own. He is just one of 31 other guys who are allowed to be questioned about their actions.

keg in kc 03-08-2009 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Whitlock
Pioli still needs to publicly explain it

Why? To reiterate what we already know?

I wonder if Whitlock's trying to set himself up as the anti-Pioli guy. His new schtick.

keg in kc 03-08-2009 11:58 AM

I also find it quite ironic to read
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Originally Posted by Whitlock
It is fun and fashionable to beat up on the media.

In the same column as
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I find one of our local stations unlisten-Neal-able...

The New Don Fortune..,and his trusty sidekick, Mad Jack Harry,

StcChief 03-08-2009 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 5565798)
I think it's time to question Whitlock.

I have been for quite sometime, same with all 24x7 driven news.

Wilson8 03-08-2009 12:40 PM

Agree with many of your thoughts on the media.

We need good writers we could count on to give us informed, well written stories about the Kansas City Chiefs. I’d like to blame this problem completely on the media, but the fault is also with the Chiefs organization and it was like this even before the Clark Hunt, Scott Pioli, Todd Haley era. The Kansas City Chiefs are in the sports entertainment business and they could do a much better job of promoting the team. I can understand the importance of keeping some information out of the media but a good PR staff can continue to help fan interest by working with the media, web sites like chiefsplanet, and even upgrading their own kcchiefs web site. I’m not saying that Pioli and Haley need to stop what they are doing in building the team or give away team secrets to the “outside”, but just saying there is little to be gained by taking an “us” against the “outsiders” stance.

Kansas City Chiefs fans are hungry for information on their team and the Chiefs organization could do a better job of promoting this interest.

Side note – I think the NFL in general could help promote their great product even further by working with the many team fan web sites that they have.

Chiefaholic 03-08-2009 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Mojo Jojo (Post 5565950)
I know you could and it still would be useless...

1. What has Pioli done without BB... a coach he didn't hire and TB a QB he didn't want to draft?

2. Carl did build through the late rounds...he just never hit on round 1 and 2.
FYI tier...i before e.

3. Everyone on this board bitched when Carl wouldn't give an up to the minute report, but Scott is a god for doing the same. FYI...if you think the NFL hated the Chiefs before wait until they do the Pats way. It will only get worse.

4.See number two.

5. WRONG. ESPN loved Carl...other teams knew Carl was doing well. Ask people and media...exect for the rings (yes a big deal) they hate the way the Patriots do business.

6. Yes he was boo'd so was Jack Stedman they man who talked Lamar into bringing the Chiefs to KC. Using your logic the Chiefs should never have come here because someone will get boo'd.

7. What do you know Scott is doing? I thought this was all about no info from One Arrowhead Drive.

Pioli is just another GM. He has done nothing on his own. He is just one of 31 other guys who are allowed to be questioned about their actions.

1. Kind of hard to answer what he's done considering he hasn't had the opportunity. I guess BB must have been BS'ing about all the positive things he's said about Pioli.

2. The Pats are full of players they drafted and did VERY well as a result. Carl's starters were everybody's trash or overpaid players. "I befor E".... shove it up your keyster

3. Pioli cares about building a team, NOT a bunch of armcharm QB's on an internet board. Players AND agents HATED Carl, thus we missed out on key additions that could have turned this team around. The same can't be said for Pioli. How many draft day trades did Carl accomplish, and how many did Pioli? This isn't even a debate... F*** the media and the armchair QB's who feel the franchise is obligated to tell them every time somebody takes a piss at One Arrowhead Drive.

4. Ditto

5. Pioli respected by everybody that MATTERS. This isn't debatable, it's a fact.

6. What does Steadman and the Chiefs moving to KC have anything to do with Carl Peterson being an overbearing and obnoxious jerk? The players and agents hated to negotiate with Peterson, it's a fact...no debate.

7. FYI What do you know Scott is doing? I guess I can be a smartass to and correct your grammar. It's "How do you know what Scott is doing?" [/smartass] Not to play Captain Obvious here, but it's pretty obvious isn't it? Bringing in assistants and coordinators, on the phone making trades, watching game film of current players on the roster, and preparing for the draft. That's just the information released to the public. So to answer your question... I read all the information and watch video clips made available to me. Everything I just said was a statement straight from Pioli's mouth.

teedubya 03-08-2009 12:50 PM

Whitlock has sand in his really, really, really fat vagina.

Jerm 03-08-2009 12:54 PM

Well if Whitlock wasn't dead to Pioli, Haley, and co. after the Waters debacle...he certainly is now.

I'm sure we'll get many more of these articles because Whitlock won't be getting any more info or access now that he's taken shots at Pioli and Haley.

What a fat moron.

teedubya 03-08-2009 12:54 PM

This is the end of Whitlock. He will be moving to a new city within 18 months... Bank on it.

wild1 03-08-2009 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Messier (Post 5565821)
It's like Whitlock thinks he's doling out some sort of "punishment" by saying, until you talk to me I'm going to question all of your moves. Somehow I don't think Pioli cares.

Whitlock made the point well that the team's success has nothing to do with the media. The media only pry and create tension and distractions. Pioli has nothing to gain by playing ball with agitators.

The media is the only group with something to lose.

Chiefaholic 03-08-2009 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by wild1 (Post 5566091)
Whitlock made the point well that the team's success has nothing to do with the media. The media only pry and create tension and distractions. Pioli has nothing to gain by playing ball with agitators.

The media is the only group with something to lose.

Agree 100%.. Positive media coverage doesn't sell papers, and Pioli doesn't need to waste his time with PR when this franchise has this many holes to fill. When they make any significant moves, the media will find out and they can critigue him then. Otherwise leave the man alone and let him do what Clark paid him to do. I'm sure Whitless can find many other racist topics to write about.

lazepoo 03-08-2009 01:18 PM

Sports writers aren't watchdogs. Sports is an avocation, not a life or death struggle. Take that away from this article, and what you have is a man struggling to convince others of his perceived self-importance. Sad.


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