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RustShack 03-10-2009 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 5569885)
I think it is a little early to say definitively what Thigpen can or can't do. Last year, Cassel was a guy that hadn't started a game since high school and most thought he couldn't do anything.
Cassel is a classic Pro Style QB and Thigpen is a classic spread QB, you have to be an idiot to argue that or just plain don't watch football.

RustShack 03-10-2009 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5569895)
I do think the bashing of Thigpen is a little premature. Yeah, he still has much to work on, and he wasn't 'great' last year, but he had pretty good numbers on a suspect team, and he was only in year two.

Cassel was in his fourth year with a ton of talent.

I liked the move for Cassel because I don't think you can go wrong trying to stockpile promising young talent at the QB position. But, I won't be totally shocked if Thigpen beats him out.
Croyle and Gray could both beat out Thigpen in TC if its wide open...

SenselessChiefsFan 03-10-2009 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 5569899)
Cassel is a classic Pro Style QB and Thigpen is a classic spread QB, you have to be an idiot to argue that or just plain don't watch football.
Really? Then I wonder why the classic pro style QB played his best in the spread offense?

Honest question here: Did you actually watch Cassel play much last year?

I am not saying he was running the option like Thigpen did at times, but they looked similar at many times last year.

Sully 03-10-2009 09:56 AM
Neither of those teams ran the "spread."
They also didn't run the "Run 'n' Shoot."

OnTheWarpath15 03-10-2009 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 5569904)
Croyle and Gray could both beat out Thigpen in TC if its wide open...
I've been saying the same thing, especially if he's asked to run a pro-style offense.

Wouldn't shock me in the least to see Thigpen as #3, or off the roster completely.

CrazyHorse 03-10-2009 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5569883)
I respectfully disagree.

It gets progressively harder to run a passing offense the closer you get to the goal line, because the opposing defense doesn't have to cover as much ground. It's a huge advantage for the defense to only have to cover 20 yards instead of 70. It's an even bigger advantage when the defense knows you can't run the ball, as we witnessed last year.

Let me explain the post further.

It's easier to pass the football inside the 20 in a passing situation from the shotgun, than it is to pass the ball from behind center inside the 20 in a passing situation.

Sorry for not being clearer.

Your post is common knowledge. I assumed most understood that concept.

RustShack 03-10-2009 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5569906)
Really? Then I wonder why the classic pro style QB played his best in the spread offense?

Honest question here: Did you actually watch Cassel play much last year?

I am not saying he was running the option like Thigpen did at times, but they looked similar at many times last year.
I take it last year was the first time you've ever heard of Cassel then. But since this is the NFL and most QB's have their first pro success from the Shotgun I guess I see no reason for Cassel to be any different.

RustShack 03-10-2009 09:58 AM
I love how people think lining up in the shotgun is the "spread' too ROFL

SenselessChiefsFan 03-10-2009 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 5569904)
Croyle and Gray could both beat out Thigpen in TC if its wide open...
Croyle could beat out Cassel too if he could ever stay healthy. He has a better arm than Cassel, Thigpen, Gray or Sanchez. The only guy the Chiefs could have gotten this year with a better arm would be Stafford.

Unfortunately, that great arm is attached to a very frail body.

And, for that reason, I don't think the Chiefs go into another season with him as the starter, even if he is playing better than the other QB's.

SenselessChiefsFan 03-10-2009 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 5569913)
I take it last year was the first time you've ever heard of Cassel then. But since this is the NFL and most QB's have their first pro success from the Shotgun I guess I see no reason for Cassel to be any different.
Not just talking about the shotgun, talking about the spread offense.

OnTheWarpath15 03-10-2009 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5569906)
Really? Then I wonder why the classic pro style QB played his best in the spread offense?

Honest question here: Did you actually watch Cassel play much last year?

I am not saying he was running the option like Thigpen did at times, but they looked similar at many times last year.
Randy Moss.

Wes Welker.

Josh McDaniels.

Solid OL play.

6th best rushing offense in NFL.


Tell me, how were Cassel and Thigpen similar?

Don't bother responding if all you have is "took snaps from the shotgun."

SenselessChiefsFan 03-10-2009 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 5569917)
I love how people think lining up in the shotgun is the "spread' too ROFL
Do you understand that there is a difference between the spread offense and the spread option? You can run the spread offense without the spread option. I think that is largely confused.

SenselessChiefsFan 03-10-2009 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5569923)
Randy Moss.

Wes Welker.

Josh McDaniels.

Solid OL play.

6th best rushing offense in NFL.


Tell me, how were Cassel and Thigpen similar?

Don't bother responding if all you have is "took snaps from the shotgun."
You pointed out the differences in the teams' players... not the offensive schemes.

And, I agree, that Thigpen had inferior talent around him.

OnTheWarpath15 03-10-2009 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5569929)
You pointed out the differences in the teams' players... not the offensive schemes.

And, I agree, that Thigpen had inferior talent around him.
Those players made that scheme possible and successful.

SenselessChiefsFan 03-10-2009 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 5569913)
I take it last year was the first time you've ever heard of Cassel then. But since this is the NFL and most QB's have their first pro success from the Shotgun I guess I see no reason for Cassel to be any different.
You raise a good point..... most QB's do have their first success from the shotgun.

It gives the QB a better view of the field and more time to get rid of the ball.

But, I am talking about the actual offense that the Pats were running, not just how the QB got the ball.


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