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MIAdragon 03-25-2009 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RJ (Post 5608855)
No way.

Schilling just doesn't have the stats, for most of his career he was a good but not great pitcher. I like the guy, but he's no HOF'er.

Really?

Wins--216 Tied for 80th all-time
ERA-3.46 Would be 11th among current active players if not retired
Win%-.596. Tied for 119th all-time with Herb Pennock, Ed Lopat and Warren Spahn
WHIP-1.1374 45th all-time
BB/9- 1.962 79th all-time
Strikeouts- 3116 15Th all-time
Adjusted ERA+- 127 Tied 43rd all-time

Schilling's post-season numbers are where he leaves his mark on the game.

11-2, 2.23 ERA, K/BB 120/25, WHIP 0.97


Schilling has the best K/BB ratio of all time among guys with a minimum of 1,000 IP / 100 decisions.

Only Blyleven has retired with more strikeouts and has not made into the HoF.

kcfanXIII 03-25-2009 04:35 PM

my two best schiling memories:

1. who could forget the bloody sock?
2. being a part of the team that knocked the yankees off in the 2001 world series.

based on these two memories, yes.

Jethopper 03-25-2009 04:48 PM

A pitcher with no sy youngs = A pitcher with no entry into the hall of fame (9 times out of 10).

wild1 03-25-2009 04:51 PM

He doesn't really have the numbers, and I agree with the good but not great argument about his career as measured by his peers. But the 3 rings will get him a lot of mileage, and it's certainly debatable whether those teams would have won the rings without him.

If he gets in, it's a later ballot... in my opinion

MIAdragon 03-25-2009 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jethopper (Post 5610294)
A pitcher with no sy youngs = A pitcher with no entry into the hall of fame (9 times out of 10).

WTF is a "sy young"?

Nolan Ryan has zero Cy Young's.

MIAdragon 03-25-2009 04:54 PM

Strikeouts- 3116 15Th all-time

No doubt he gets in.

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-25-2009 04:56 PM

It's close, but no.

Good big game pitcher, elite attention whore, but not a HOF caliber arm.

wild1 03-25-2009 04:56 PM

3000 strikeouts is his case, really, outside the world series

If this guy had played for Milwaukee and Texas, no way would this conversation be happening.

Katipan 03-25-2009 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by wild1 (Post 5610302)
He doesn't really have the numbers, and I agree with the good but not great argument about his career as measured by his peers. But the 3 rings will get him a lot of mileage, and it's certainly debatable whether those teams would have won the rings without him.

If he gets in, it's a later ballot... in my opinion

Arizona certainly rode it's two horses hard in 01. Randy never got us to a World Series with his Cy Youngs. Had no problem doing it with his Curt Schilling.

Miles 03-25-2009 05:07 PM

He is pretty close with his postseason performances, his first two seasons with ARI and first season with BOS, but his win/loss record will ultimately keep him out.

MIAdragon 03-25-2009 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Miles (Post 5610337)
He is pretty close with his postseason performances, his first two seasons with ARI and first season with BOS, but his win/loss record will ultimately keep him out.

IMO win/loss stats is a piss poor measurement. Can the pitcher control what his team does in the field or at the dish?

Jethopper 03-25-2009 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MIAdragon (Post 5610308)
WTF is a "sy young"?

Nolan Ryan has zero Cy Young's.

Hence the 9 out of 10.

MIAdragon 03-25-2009 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Jethopper (Post 5610378)
Hence the 9 out of 10.

he finished second in Cy Young voting three times I dont see that holding him back

Miles 03-25-2009 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MIAdragon (Post 5610356)
IMO win/loss stats is a piss poor measurement. Can the pitcher control what his team does in the field or at the dish?

Yeah I agree that its a shitty measurement but one that sportswriters seem to constantly bring up when evaluating a player.

kcxiv 03-25-2009 05:37 PM

If you count his post season play then absolutely. I lvoed watching hiim pitch in his prime, he was a bad ass. He definately deserves to be in there. If you needed someone to pitch in a big game, there wasnt many better then him for that kind of pressure.

While he only has a little over 200 wins, he was fairly consistant. I hope he makes it to Cooperstown, he deserves it.


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