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philfree 04-07-2009 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 5646751)
No no no there are players who CAN make a much bigger impact that Curry. There isn't a pick thats as SAFE or consistent as Curry. Safe and consistent in no way means a big impact. Also do you even know they system Pen runs? ILB's aren't very important...

Is that a fact? Who?


PhilFree:arrow:

philfree 04-07-2009 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5647151)
Who are the defensive players that will make a much bigger impact than Curry? Who are the defensive players that are similar to LT and DT? Why aren't these players consistently ranked in the top 5 or top 10?

People just can't seem to come to terms with the reality that there are no guys like that in this draft. There are some OLB/DEs in the draft but none of them are even close to a top 5 pick. And on another note I just watched Curry come off the edge and force the QB out of the pocket and set up a team mate for the sack. I was told he couldn't rush the passer. Go figure.

PhilFree:arrow:

htismaqe 04-07-2009 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by philfree (Post 5647163)
People just can't seem to come to terms with the reality that there are no guys like that in this draft. There are some OLB/DEs in the draft but none of them are even close to a top 5 pick. And on another note I just watched Curry come off the edge and force the QB out of the pocket and set up a team mate for the sack. I was told he couldn't rush the passer. Go figure.

PhilFree:arrow:

So you pick one of about 30 plays that he made like that in a FOUR YEAR CAREER.

Go figure.

htismaqe 04-07-2009 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5647151)
Who are the defensive players that will make a much bigger impact than Curry? Who are the defensive players that are similar to LT and DT? Why aren't these players consistently ranked in the top 5 or top 10?

Why do we HAVE to pick defense?

Coogs 04-07-2009 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5647300)
Why do we HAVE to pick defense?

Because we are the Chiefs. This draft is better on the offensive side of the ball. Get your defensive players this year. Next year is better on defense. If Cassel doesn't cut it, get a QB next year. You know the drill by now. :)

Chiefnj2 04-07-2009 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5647300)
Why do we HAVE to pick defense?

Who are all the players that are going to make a huge impact on offense for KC?

htismaqe 04-07-2009 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 5647309)
Because we are the Chiefs. This draft is better on the offensive side of the ball. Get your defensive players this year. Next year is better on defense. If Cassel doesn't cut it, get a QB next year. You know the drill by now. :)

That's exactly what I was thinking when I posted that.

htismaqe 04-07-2009 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5647329)
Who are all the players that are going to make a huge impact on offense for KC?

I think the single player that could have the most impact is Matthew Stafford. I know you won't ever agree, so I'm not going to elaborate.

Chiefnj2 04-07-2009 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5647340)
I think the single player that could have the most impact is Matthew Stafford. I know you won't ever agree, so I'm not going to elaborate.

Wrong again. I would agree on Stafford, but it doesn't look like he's a viable option.

It looks like Stafford is going #1. Who else?

htismaqe 04-07-2009 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5647342)
Wrong again. I would agree on Stafford, but it doesn't look like he's a viable option.

It looks like Stafford is going #1. Who else?

That's pretty much it. He'll probably go #1 and then there's basically nothing.

I've been on the "trade down or bust" bandwagon since the beginning.

If forced to pick at #3 then, you have to balance immediate impact with long-term impact. The player there that will have the highest probability to make the MOST impact is Mark Sanchez. All of the others could make a more IMMEDIATE impact, but don't have near the upside.

Chiefnj2 04-07-2009 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5647349)
That's pretty much it. He'll probably go #1 and then there's basically nothing.

I've been on the "trade down or bust" bandwagon since the beginning.

If forced to pick at #3 then, you have to balance immediate impact with long-term impact. The player there that will have the highest probability to make the MOST impact is Mark Sanchez. All of the others could make a more IMMEDIATE impact, but don't have near the upside.

You're funny. I ask who the impact defensive players are other than Curry, and you reply why does it have to be defense, implying there are realistic offensive players available that people are overlooking. When pressed for the offensive players you pick the guy that is a 99% lock to go first and not be available and then say "there's basically nothing" other than him.

htismaqe 04-07-2009 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5647359)
You're funny. I ask who the impact defensive players are other than Curry, and you reply why does it have to be defense, implying there are realistic offensive players available that people are overlooking. When pressed for the offensive players you pick the guy that is a 99% lock to go first and not be available and then say "there's basically nothing" other than him.

The post you originally responded to, by Rustshack, said PLAYERS. You had seemingly introduced the "defensive" delimiter, and by doing so I assumed that you had specifically eliminated offensive prospects. I had not seen TRR's previous post (to which Rustshack was responding) that also mentioned defensive players, so it was my mistake.

As for offensive players, I answered - I believe Mark Sanchez has the capability to have more impact than Curry.

Chiefnj2 04-07-2009 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5647372)
The post you originally responded to, by Rustshack, said PLAYERS. You had seemingly introduced the "defensive" delimiter, and by doing so I assumed that you had specifically eliminated offensive prospects. I had not seen TRR's previous post (to which Rustshack was responding) that also mentioned defensive players, so it was my mistake.

As for offensive players, I answered - I believe Mark Sanchez has the capability to have more impact than Curry.

Technically, any QB has the capability of having more impact than a MLB.

htismaqe 04-07-2009 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5647422)
Technically, any QB has the capability of having more impact than a MLB.

Yep.

Tribal Warfare 04-07-2009 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5647151)
Who are the defensive players that will make a much bigger impact than Curry?

Answer the question do you believe he'll make as big an impact in comparison to the players mentioned?


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