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htismaqe 04-08-2009 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by DrRyan (Post 5650740)
Errr...that is exactly what you take. Sanchez anyone? All everyone wanting to take Sanchez has talked about is "how he projects to be a top 'x' starter in this league." I guess I do not have a problem if they still go QB at #3 if they can't trade down and QB is their BPA, but Sanchez has started 1 year in college, so you you are drafting a project, period, point blank.
Sanchez started a full season in college.

Curry hasn't started ONE GAME at the position most people want him to play.

There's no comparison at all.

htismaqe 04-08-2009 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by philfree (Post 5650735)
I don't think it's fair to call Curry a project. The only thing that he hasn't proven he can do is be a consistant pass rusher. And that comes from not having the opportunity. That said I've seen several plays where he came off the edge and was all over the QB. I saw a new one yesterday where he nailed the QB and the ball popped out and landed in the arms of another defender. The ball went forward and past the LOS so it was probably called a pressure and an INT in the stats. What it was, was an awsome play. IMO if given the chance he will be able to rush the passer in the NFL. He won't be an every down pass rusher but he will be able to rush the passer IMO.

PhilFree:arrow:
When you want him to do something he's really never done in his career, you might as well be asking him to change positions.

This is the very definition of project.

crazycoffey 04-08-2009 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5650649)
That alone should kill the talk about #3 overall.

You don't take a project in Top 5, at any position.

they are college draftees, every single one of them is a project. A rookie project. every team is going to see if their rookie can BECOME an NFL Player by teaching them the pro game and seeing if they can adjust to it.

Every single one of them = project.

Sorry htismaqe, I just don't like that argument in draft talks..... :D

htismaqe 04-08-2009 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by philfree (Post 5650756)
Exactly! You don't take a QB with only 16 starts in the top three of the draft.
I would take Stafford if he fell to #3 and we couldn't get a trade done. I might take him no matter what.


PhilFree:arrow:
And you don't take an ILB with 9 career sacks at #3 either.

You're FORCED to pick between the lesser of two evils.

And since the QB position carries infinitely more value than ILB, taking the QB makes far more sense.

htismaqe 04-08-2009 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by CrazyCoffey (Post 5650780)
they are college draftees, every single one of them is a project. A rookie project. every team is going to see if their rookie can BECOME an NFL Player by teaching them the pro game and seeing if they can adjust to it.

Every single one of them = project.

Sorry htismaqe, I just don't like that argument in draft talks..... :D
Wrong.

Every draftee is a RISK. Only the ones that are being asked to do something they've not done before are "projects".

dirk digler 04-08-2009 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 5650762)
If you draft a LB that high he better be a pass rusher, if he hasn't done it before hes a project. Thats like drafting a spread QB and saying he can learn to play a Pro Style offense easy.
That's a dumb thing to say. I am not a Curry lover but I bet most of the top D players in this draft have never played in a 3-4 so by your definition they are a project.

crazycoffey 04-08-2009 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5650768)
The thing is Curry isn't an elite player.

It's typical NFL conservatism at work. Marty Schottenheimer-ismos.

Everybody, universally, says Curry is a solid player - which basically means he's not spectacular. The scouts aren't enamored with what he DOES, they're enamored with what he DOESN'T do, which is make mistakes.

It's the epitome of the play-not-to-lose mentality that's infested the NFL.

Now this is how you argue against a pick.....

Brock 04-08-2009 10:10 AM
I wonder how long it took Schlereth to say "Because he isn't a pass rusher" Segment over.

RustShack 04-08-2009 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by CrazyCoffey (Post 5650780)
they are college draftees, every single one of them is a project. A rookie project. every team is going to see if their rookie can BECOME an NFL Player by teaching them the pro game and seeing if they can adjust to it.

Every single one of them = project.

Sorry htismaqe, I just don't like that argument in draft talks..... :D
Some more so than others, like when you draft someone and ask them to do what they haven't done before.

crazycoffey 04-08-2009 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5650785)
Wrong.

Every draftee is a RISK. Only the ones that are being asked to do something they've not done before are "projects".

which college prospect has played football at a professional level?

htismaqe 04-08-2009 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 5650787)
That's a dumb thing to say. I am not a Curry lover but I bet most of the top D players in this draft have never played in a 3-4 so by your definition they are a project.
It's not about 3-4 vs. 4-3, it's about doing what they're suited for. An undersized 4-3 DE is being asked to do the same things in college that he would in the pros as a 3-4 OLB.

RustShack 04-08-2009 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 5650787)
That's a dumb thing to say. I am not a Curry lover but I bet most of the top D players in this draft have never played in a 3-4 so by your definition they are a project.
Thats why most 3-4 OLB's are DE's, because they already have the pass rushing skill.

htismaqe 04-08-2009 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by CrazyCoffey (Post 5650795)
which college prospect has played football at a professional level?
What does that have to do with anything?

You're talking about taking a risk by taking ANY player that's never played in the NFL before.

And I've already acknowledged that the risk is very real.

That is NOT and will NEVER BE the same as taking a player that did one thing in college and having him do something COMPLETELY different in the pros. That's a completely separate, and compounding, risk.

RustShack 04-08-2009 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by CrazyCoffey (Post 5650795)
which college prospect has played football at a professional level?
You don't understand the concept of a raw prospect and someone thats ready for the Pro's do you?

dirk digler 04-08-2009 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5650797)
It's not about 3-4 vs. 4-3, it's about doing what they're suited for. An undersized 4-3 DE is being asked to do the same things in college that he would in the pros as a 3-4 OLB.
Doesn't a 3-4 OLB still play in coverage quite a bit? I am asking because I admit I don't know.


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