Rule of thumb is time off should be time on + PCT. So I would take 2-3 months off before running another hormonal altering product.

V-Tren or T-bomb

Good stuff you can buy for $40 a bottle @ "The nutrition Company" I used it and saw amazing results. Just came off a cycle of 30 days. It is as close to trenblone as you can get ...just make sure you buy a bottle of reversitol at the same time and start taking it a couple of days before your cycle ends

FYI max muscle also sells the same stuff but at quite a markup of about $90 a bottle...I would reccomend buying their name brand protein mixes as they are very tasty. Also don't for get to get a vitamin to take every morning, I loved their liquid vitamin they sold...just take a shot in the AM, you are already taking a ton of pills why take more?

Do this for your workout. I'm doing it now and I've never gained strength, or mass as fast.

Do 4-7 exercises, I do bench, squat, back rows, shoulder press then vary between leg curls, extensions or biceps and triceps each week.

When lifting count to 5, one thousand one, one thousand 2 etc so you do 5 seconds up and 5 seconds down. Then you want to lift until failure, which should be 8-12 reps, no more. Wait 3 minutes between each exercise. It takes about 30 minutes and you should lift 2x per week.

For diet it's good to eat lots of protein, veggies and stuff like black beans, pinto beans or lentils. I usually have a meat, veggie and beans for meals, or I'll eat eggs sometimes too. Within 90 minutes of the workout you can have 'white' carbs, like pizza and things, but only in that time line. I'd be doing better if I obeyed that rule.

Anyway, I could see in 2 weeks a difference in my arms, legs and chest. That was a total of 4 workouts, 2 hours of time at the gym.

V-Tren? Who makes that?

T-Bomb is a Natty Test Booster, not a steroid.

BCD - Do you take anything for your liver while taking Havoc?

Yea but in 30 days can you make a ~50% jump in weight?

Max Muscle has their own blend, I took a cycle of that and bought abottle from TNC but I can't remember the manufacturers name "castle" something IIRC

Since it methylated you can if you want to be extra careful. Liv52 is a good choice and cheap on Ebay.

Body weight, or weight you lift?

Try youtube searching p90x workouts. They don't use heavy heavy weights.

They use rubber bands. Burn off those extra calories with some sort of aerobics.

Don't DIET. Reducing calaries only wastes your muscle. I learned this the hard way.(angry)

Keep a log of what you eat. Only try and eat enough calories to grow more muscle. You will always get some fat with anabolism.

Jesus ****.

For starters you might want to ask questions like this somewhere where more people have the knowledge to help you. You've gotten some VERY idiotic advice so far.

Next, how about training and dieting consistently?

IMO if you're gonna use steroids you're better off using real established steroids. The OTC options differ only in the fact that their molecular structure wasn't patented by drug companies. There are a multitude of reasons all these legal steroid moleculaes weren't sought after and patented by drug companies. Their effectiveness to side effect ratio is completely out of whack. The side effects are the, same if not even greater, while the benefits are less.

Cue the BB.com PH bro's.

This = Stupid

Which brings us back to the thread title "Legal Steroids".