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58kcfan89 04-27-2009 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SBK (Post 5719661)
No, Moreno is a stud. I don't think RB's are worth taking that high, but there's not a team in the league that wouldn't want a guy like Moreno in the backfield.

Atlanta? Minnesota? Carolina? Tennessee?

There's a few that have backs a lot better (and obviously more proven) than Moreno. Just sayin'. I would think Moreno would be great in Philly, Houston, Baltimore & a few other places, but I don't know how well he's gunna fit in with what Denver has right now. Remember, this isn't the Shanarat offense anymore.

As someone already said, teams will probably load up on Moreno & make Orton beat them with his arm, something I don't think he'll be able to do consistently.

Valiant 04-27-2009 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by orange (Post 5719958)
The guy was a two-time All-American. He's short. The Broncos rated him as a first-round talent.

I'm not going to pretend I know anything about him, but IF he's a first-rounder then I'm totally onboard with going for him aggressively.

One-year = one-round in NFL trades traditionally. Carolina knows this, too (Otah, Brown).

Hopefully for you it works out, I am hoping it does not as a Chiefs fan..

I just don't see him transitioning that well in the NFL as a DB against the bigger/faster NFL WR's.. He is a great tackler though..

easymobee 04-27-2009 05:04 PM

I pray to the football gods that Tyson Jackson and Dorsey join the 1st round scrapheap that is currently populated by Hali and Sims. Hopefully 1st round DL becomes what Bill Buckner was to Sox fans. Curse.
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Reaper16 04-27-2009 05:04 PM

The Broncos UDFA class has a lot more value than their horrible draft.

patteeu 04-27-2009 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by orange (Post 5719963)
They started the year with Cutler - now they don't have him. Why not use all the picks they got for him NOW just to get back as close as they can to where they started?

Would you have been happier, less happy, or the same degree of happiness if the Cutler trade had returned a 2009 2nd rounder instead of the 2010 1st rounder? I'm more interested in the 1st rounder unless I expect the team who originally held it is going to be really good, which brings me to the other aspect of the Bronco's draft day trade...

Unless I'm mistaken, the Broncos traded their own 2010 first rather than the 2010 first acquired from Chicago. My expectation is that the Broncos are going to be worse than Chicago next year so IMO they gave up their best 2010 pick. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Denver ends up with a top 10 drafting position. If so, that would be a big price to pay for that CB. The flip side, of course, is that this seems to indicate some degree of confidence on the part of the Denver brain trust that the team will be good enough in the upcoming season to end up with later draft position thereby reducing the ultimate cost of the transaction. Time will tell.

HemiEd 04-27-2009 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 5719934)
One thing I found ironic was that Denver, which had been renowned under Shanarat for being able to find a running back anytime, anywhere, and plugging them in to be a 1,000 yard rusher, is now coached by a guy who stated this weekend that they went and got Moreno with the first pick because he knows how hard it is in this league to find a good running back...

Yeah, I had a few chuckles over that myself.

the Talking Can 04-27-2009 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by orange (Post 5719958)
The guy was a two-time All-American. He's short. The Broncos rated him as a first-round talent.

I'm not going to pretend I know anything about him, but IF he's a first-rounder then I'm totally onboard with going for him aggressively.

One-year = one-round in NFL trades traditionally. Carolina knows this, too (Otah, Brown).

you gave up what could easily be a top 15 pick in 2010 for a 2nd round CB

no CB is worth that in todays' NFL.....what did Champ Bailey get you?

easymobee 04-27-2009 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 5720059)
you gave up what could easily be a top 15 pick in 2010 for a 2nd round CB

no CB is worth that in todays' NFL.....what did Champ Bailey get you?

Your team gave up a 3rd overall pick for tyson jackson
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DaFace 04-27-2009 05:11 PM

My overall reaction to the Broncos draft is that they got a lot of good PLAYERS, so that may pay off for them well in the long run. The places I think they went awry were:

1) Players don't really fit their needs
2) Gave up way too much to trade up

Denver Dave 04-27-2009 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 5719934)
One thing I found ironic was that Denver, which had been renowned under Shanarat for being able to find a running back anytime, anywhere, and plugging them in to be a 1,000 yard rusher, is now coached by a guy who stated this weekend that they went and got Moreno with the first pick because he knows how hard it is in this league to find a good running back...

And what's worse, Denver now has a coach that believes in utilizing fewer resources (late round picks) on QBs, the most important position on the field. As oppose to the position (RB) where short shelf life, wear-and-tear and attrition limit the amount of production you'll get.

the Talking Can 04-27-2009 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by easymobee (Post 5720060)
Your team gave up a 3rd overall pick for tyson jackson
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yeah

and?

MoreLemonPledge 04-27-2009 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by easymobee (Post 5720060)
Your team gave up a 3rd overall pick for tyson jackson
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Your team traded their franchise QB who's just hitting his prime. All because they wanted our QB.

orange 04-27-2009 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 5720036)
Would you have been happier, less happy, or the same degree of happiness if the Cutler trade had returned a 2009 2nd rounder instead of the 2010 1st rounder? I'm more interested in the 1st rounder unless I expect the team who originally held it is going to be really good, which brings me to the other aspect of the Bronco's draft day trade...

Unless I'm mistaken, the Broncos traded their own 2010 first rather than the 2010 first acquired from Chicago. My expectation is that the Broncos are going to be worse than Chicago next year so IMO they gave up their best 2010 pick. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Denver ends up with a top 10 drafting position. If so, that would be a big price to pay for that CB. The flip side, of course, is that this seems to indicate some degree of confidence on the part of the Denver brain trust that the team will be good enough in the upcoming season to end up with later draft position thereby reducing the ultimate cost of the transaction. Time will tell.


I always considered that trade as a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. I actually do value future picks one level down (you can have a look at a thread by Rain Man last Friday where we discussed this at length http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...=206430&page=3). This trade didn't shock me at all. I was surprised by the pick - I expected Brace at that point.

As for missing a possible top 10 pick - I don't think it will happen, but even if it does - THAT'S A GOOD THING. High draft picks have become a curse, not a blessing. Look at this year - the Chiefs are going to have to pay franchise-QB money to a DE expected to be drafted at 12 because they couldn't move the pick. San Francisco's GM was quoted last week as saying he'd been contacted by 7 of the 9 teams picking before him that wanted to trade down.

No big loss if you ask me.

Adept Havelock 04-27-2009 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge (Post 5720075)
Your team traded their franchise QB who's just hitting his prime. All because they wanted our QB.

ROFL

Good point.

vailpass 04-27-2009 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge (Post 5719938)
And a guy who's running back committees in New England were arguably worse than Shanahan's.

Arguably worse than Shannahan's? Go see where Denver ranked in the league in rushing over Shanny's tenure in Denver.


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