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Mr. Krab 05-14-2009 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 5765394)
Its more than just the risk of a 2nd round pick. Its the risk of subsequently not taking a 1st round QB. It's a huge, huge risk.

Only if you like Sanchez or Freeman because those are the only guys we passed on.

Valiant 05-14-2009 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Mojo Jojo (Post 5765359)
I think he is pointing out we are paying a lot for a one year tryout. With no new deal and he does well he may be gone next year, and if he fails we wasted a year at QB. It is a legit question.

Not really, he would have gotten the money one way or another from the Pats or another team..

It is WORTH it to try it out for a year.. If we/he fail with the experiment we are only on the hook for the year..

And maybe they were not enamored with Sanchez or Stafford?? Pay more money to those two or less to Cassell for one year to see if it works??

Reaper16 05-14-2009 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by THISmaqe (Post 5765561)
A risk implies that you're going to lose something you already have. There is ZERO risk in NOT taking a 1st round QB. At all.

I wasn't aware that the word risk implied that. In fact, I'm going to disagree with you that risk necessarily implies the threat of loss.

Reaper16 05-14-2009 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Krab's (Post 5766018)
Only if you like Sanchez or Freeman because those are the only guys we passed on.

1.) You're not making a point, just stating the obvious.

2.) This isn't even connected to what I posted. "Not liking" a player doesn't eliminate the potential of being wrong concerning that player.

Valiant 05-14-2009 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 5766040)
1.) You're not making a point, just stating the obvious.

2.) This isn't even connected to what I posted. "Not liking" a player doesn't eliminate the potential of being wrong concerning that player.

But what if they were RIGHT on Cassel and those players??

Mr. Krab 05-14-2009 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 5766040)
1.) You're not making a point, just stating the obvious.

2.) This isn't even connected to what I posted. "Not liking" a player doesn't eliminate the potential of being wrong concerning that player.

If that's your argument then every team risks being wrong every draft pick they make or don't make. They risk being wrong with every free agent they sign or don't sign.

Come on, be honest. This is just another roundabout way for someone to bitch and moan because the Chiefs didn't take Mark Sanchez.

If i was the GM for the Chiefs i would of drafted Sanchez at #3 after i couldn't trade down. Imo it's better to overspend on a QB than a non-Quarterback sacking DE. I would of drafted Sanchez and then tried to put the screwed to the Jets or the Redskins for a trade and if not it would of provided a QBoTF for Cassell to train in his 1 year as a Chief.

But they didn't draft Sanchez so it's time to move on. Get over it.

DaneMcCloud 05-14-2009 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Krab's (Post 5766059)
If that's your argument then every team risks being wrong every draft pick they make or don't make. They risk being wrong with every free agent they sign or don't sign.

Uh, isn't this true?

If not, what about it is false?

If I'm not mistaken, it's the job of the organization TO make the right decisions.

Not just a decision.

htismaqe 05-14-2009 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mojo Jojo (Post 5765898)
Here is the problem...we can offer what ever the key is what will he accept mid season? If he is playing like a $20 million dollar QB week 5 does it take $23/$25 million to sign at that point. If I'm the agent after week five or six and things are going well go the FA route. Worst thing to happen is that you are tagged for an uncapped year. Best case is that someone is willing to break the bank. I just don't get all the posters who say sign him mid season. It is a two way street fools.

It's a negotiation. If it weren't for the Chiefs, he wouldn't even be in a position to be a starting QB, he'd be a backup in New England collecting $14M just like he'll get here. And if he won't agree to a long-term deal because he wants more money, we tag him.

The WORST case is that he plays like shit and we need to dump him. The scenario you're so against is FAR MORE PALATABLE than locking him up now and having him SUCK.

So take a look in the mirror before you throw out the word "fools".

htismaqe 05-14-2009 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 5766030)
I wasn't aware that the word risk implied that. In fact, I'm going to disagree with you that risk necessarily implies the threat of loss.

The number 1 definition in the dictionary:

exposure to the chance of injury or loss

You can't lose something you don't have. If Sanchez turns out to be great, we're not out anything, regardless of how you want to look at it.

htismaqe 05-14-2009 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5766073)
Uh, isn't this true?

If not, what about it is false?

If I'm not mistaken, it's the job of the organization TO make the right decisions.

Not just a decision.

You can't risk something you don't have. They made a decision.

Right or wrong, it's not a RISK, just a decision.

DaneMcCloud 05-14-2009 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by THISmaqe (Post 5766103)
You can't risk something you don't have. They made a decision.

Right or wrong, it's not a RISK, just a decision.

I fully disagree.

If you have a chance to sign or draft a player but don't, you're taking a risk.

If you sign or draft a player, you're taking a risk.

Either way, it's a risky business.

Do I or don't I?

Those that take the correct risks are those that own Super Bowl trophies.

BigRock 05-14-2009 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5765319)
How much was Pioli responsible for what happened in New England? "I guess we're about to find out," said one NFC general manager.

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Originally Posted by booger (Post 5765917)
"He was collateral damage," one NFC general manager said.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5765319)
tell me where you find Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Richard Seymour and Bill Belichick in the 816 area code.

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Originally Posted by booger (Post 5765917)
Well, whatever the reason it was apparent Kuharich didn't pass the physical and that owner Clark Hunt would be sold on someone outside the 816 area code.

Getting a little hacky there, Clark.

Reaper16 05-14-2009 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Valiant (Post 5766055)
But what if they were RIGHT on Cassel and those players??

Then they were right. And all will be good in the world. I really have no idea what you're trying to say.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Krab's (Post 5766059)
If that's your argument then every team risks being wrong every draft pick they make or don't make. They risk being wrong with every free agent they sign or don't sign.

Well, sort of, I guess. Not really. The issue is only brought up because of the critical importance of the QB position. This was a team that really needed to address the QB position. If they hadn't traded for Cassel then I would have expected to see them draft a 1st round QB.

htismaqe 05-14-2009 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5766107)
I fully disagree.

If you have a chance to sign or draft a player but don't, you're taking a risk.

If you sign or draft a player, you're taking a risk.

Either way, it's a risky business.

Do I or don't I?

Those that take the correct risks are those that own Super Bowl trophies.

Not taking Mark Sanchez (and let's be honest, because that's entirely what this is about) is NOT taking a risk. Even if he turns out to be good in New York, that's not indicative of whether or not he would have been good here. There's too many variables at work.

We didn't give up anything to NOT draft him, therefore there's no risk. Now if you want to talk about Cassel and his risk, by all means. But there is no risk in not taking somebody. Zero.

htismaqe 05-14-2009 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 5766132)
Well, sort of, I guess. Not really. The issue is only brought up because of the critical importance of the QB position. This was a team that really needed to address the QB position. If they hadn't traded for Cassel then I would have expected to see them draft a 1st round QB.

But they did trade for Cassel, so obviously they feel it has been addressed.


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