Man this sounds sooooo familiar.

Who wants crow??????????

Lemme see here, I said Dorsey wouldn't be playing nose. Check.

I said this would not be a two gap defense. Check.

I said this would not be a traditional 3-4 much less be run on every down. Check.

Owning people like kcbubb, mecca, hamas, etc? Check.

Patterson isn't a NT and Ngata didn't play the nose until last year when Greggs got hurt.

I fully expect Dorsey to beat out Magee for that starting 3-4 DE spot purely on talent alone.

I mean we're talking a 2nd year top 5 pick vs a rookie 3rd rounder.

Should be a piece of cake.

Even if he's right and it's not a 'traditional' 3-4, we have a part-time player we used a #5 overall on. He's still only going to be out there for a handful of defensive snaps each game.

He's the Elvis Dumerville of interior lineman and Dumerville went in the 4th, correct?

I just don't see how this pick can be salvaged. Maybe it'll turn into passable, he'll develop into a nice rotation DT, but we're never going to get any true impact from him at this point, IMO. Not enough to justify the selection (though again, I wouldn't have made the switch to the 3-4, forcing us to waste not only Dorsey, but the #3 overall on Jackson. Way to lock in mediocrity there, fellas)

First, what do you mean "even if he's right?" The guy is learning the scheme and told you that. I can't believe some of you are still thinking we will run a traditional 3-4.

Second, since this is not a true 3-4 Dorsey will not be solely asked to hold ground and occupy gaps. He will still be asked to get up field, collapse the pocket, contain the edge, etc. On third downs he and Jackson will slide inside.

I don't think the Pats regret using first round picks on Seymour, Wilfork, and Warren. And comparing Dumerville to Dorsey is ridiculously dumb. No offense.

Why would you think Dorsey would be a situational player in this defense? I don't see any reason to take him off the field on pass rushing situations. If anything the NT would go out.

Jackson's not Seymour. Wilfork wasn't #3 and Warren's not Warren without both Wilfork and Seymour, neither of which we have (and again Warren wasn't at #3). Had we drafted Seymour at #3, Jackson at # 20 or if even if I thought Jackson would play as well as Warren (and again 10 slots later), I wouldn't hate the pick....as much.

Do you really think Dorsey will be out there more than 70% of the time? It seems to me there will be many times we will be lining up in a more traditional 3-4 set, with 4 backers, Jackson, McGee and a NT. I don't expect the NT to be Dorsey when all is said and done. Nor do I believe the Chiefs will use Dorsey as an end in those sets. They appear to be grooming him for an off-tackle role when they stick four down linemen out there.

And the Dumerville comparison is done to show what value situational players have. Guys that are not every down players simply aren't as valuable. Yes, I know that Dorsey is not going to be brought in as a pass rusher on 3rd downs. At the same time, I don't expect him to be a 50 snap guy either. I'd be surprised to see him in for 30 snaps a game.

Your information and knowledge is great. I enjoy it.
Your gloating......not so much.

Ngata was drafted as a NT. Played it all throughout college. Where BAL decided to play him is obviously not up to me, but natually Ngata was and always was a NT.

He must have won the coin flip. Next, is Dorsey's turn.

This is a worst-case scenario, IMO. Nobody knows how well Dorsey will do in the 3-4 alignment - not even Dorsey. The best players will play, and I'll bet Dorsey beats out Magee (our 3rd round rookie who will also be learning a new position) at 3-4 end.

Haley has already said that they are projecting Dorsey as a 3-4 end, not a NT. I think that was in his draft day PC.

If Dorsey fails at 3-4 end, then I agree that he will likely only play under-tackle in the 4-3 snaps. That would indeed be a major disappointment.

That's true, but if we are talking about second seasons, it doesn't change the fact that Ngata played DE then.

Don't jump yet! ;)

Jackson was the only "pure" 3-4 end in the draft according to several "experts". He was an obvious choice tailored for our new defense. The new D may not suit Dorsey's style but it definitely should suit Jackson.

And it may be premature.

We are getting so many mixed messages from players and coaches that we are as informed as were were when Haley was initially hired.

I think he's probably right, but the gloating should wait until we actually see what is on the field.

Who said the Chiefs would run a 3-4 every down?