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MoreLemonPledge 05-20-2009 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5780137)
That's a terrible statistic to use.

Cassel played in more games. Hello?
Um, yeah. That's my point. That's why I'm dividing by the number of games played.

Hammock Parties 05-20-2009 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge (Post 5780142)
Um, yeah. That's my point. That's why I'm dividing by the number of games played.
You shouldn't divide.

If Thigpen played the same number of games as Cassel, he'd turn it over more.

End of story.

L.A. Chieffan 05-20-2009 01:58 PM
Tell me Claythan, do you think the Chief's offense is becoming too...commerical?

I read that.

MoreLemonPledge 05-20-2009 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5780143)
You shouldn't divide.

If Thigpen played the same number of games as Cassel, he'd turn it over more.

End of story.
Yes, I said Thigpen turns it over more. I'm not denying that. My point is that they really aren't that dissimilar in turnover ratio, so to call Thigpen any more turnover prone than Cassel is inaccurate.

Cormac 05-20-2009 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5780143)
You shouldn't divide.
Two words: PER GAME

Way to miss the point.

:shake:

FAX 05-20-2009 03:14 PM
It's far too early to determine whether or not the offense is going to be effective. Teicher should know that. It's not even June, bug.

I do think, however, that we're going to miss #88 a lot more than some peeps realize. We've relied on that guy for clutch catches, first downs, and drawing double teams for a whole lot of years. It's going to be like a black hole in the Chiefs passing game. Or, for the more politically correct among us, a hole of indeterminate color.

FAX

kcbubb 05-20-2009 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 5780410)
It's far too early to determine whether or not the offense is going to be effective. Teicher should know that. It's not even June, bug.

I do think, however, that we're going to miss #88 a lot more than some peeps realize. We've relied on that guy for clutch catches, first downs, and drawing double teams for a whole lot of years. It's going to be like a black hole in the Chiefs passing game. Or, for the more politically correct among us, a hole of indeterminate color.

FAX

the last time we lost one of our best players (Jared Allen) the defense went from 13th to 31st.

If Gonzo and Waters are gone, I would expect a similar drop, except we don't have as far to fall this time.

Hammock Parties 05-20-2009 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Cormac (Post 5780166)
Two words: PER GAME

Way to miss the point.

:shake:
No, you have missed the point.

The statistics bear out that if Thigpen and Cassel threw an equal number of passes, over the course of a season, Thigpen would turn the ball over more.

MoreLemonPledge 05-20-2009 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5780444)
No, you have missed the point.

The statistics bear out that if Thigpen and Cassel threw an equal number of passes, over the course of a season, Thigpen would turn the ball over more.
Sure.

0.0625 more turnovers per game, according to the very small sample size.

kcbubb 05-20-2009 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge (Post 5780460)
Sure.

0.0625 more turnovers per game, according to the very small sample size.
and very similar supporting staffs! ROFL

FAX 05-20-2009 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge (Post 5780134)
Cassel attempted 32.25 passes per game with 0.9375 turnovers/game.

Thigpen attempted 30 passes per game with an even 1 turnover/game.

In turnovers/pass attempt per game, you can't really get much similar.
I think I understand what you're saying, Mr. MoreLemonPledge. You just need to expand the numbers in order to reach a statistically significant sample.

For example, assuming that both Cassel and Thigpen were to each throw a total of 7,433 passes of between 5 and 50 yards, Cassel would be intercepted 74 times, while Thigpen would be intercepted 4,021 times, run out of bounds 23 times, call timeout 62 times, attempt to punt the football 511 times, and, on 980 occasions, heave the rock left-handed out of the back of the enemy end zone. Correct?

FAX

Blick 05-20-2009 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by bobbything (Post 5780128)
I like how Teicher suggests that he's not worried about Cassel's shaky performance(s) in the wind because he's "seen him throw indoors." Might be a valid reason if we played 8 games in a dome.

News flash, Arrowhead is a windy stadium.
He played outside in New England. I think he'll be fine. I don't think Arrowhead is that windy, either.

KC Dan 05-20-2009 03:34 PM
When the Chiefs start stopping the run, I will start worrying about the offense.

MoreLemonPledge 05-20-2009 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 5780483)
I think I understand what you're saying, Mr. MoreLemonPledge. You just need to expand the numbers in order to reach a statistically significant sample.

For example, assuming that both Cassel and Thigpen were to each throw a total of 7,433 passes of between 5 and 50 yards, Cassel would be intercepted 74 times, while Thigpen would be intercepted 4,021 times, run out of bounds 23 times, call timeout 62 times, attempt to punt the football 511 times, and, on 980 occasions, heave the rock left-handed out of the back of the enemy end zone. Correct?

FAX
I think you're my favorite.

RNR 05-20-2009 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 5780483)
I think I understand what you're saying, Mr. MoreLemonPledge. You just need to expand the numbers in order to reach a statistically significant sample.

For example, assuming that both Cassel and Thigpen were to each throw a total of 7,433 passes of between 5 and 50 yards, Cassel would be intercepted 74 times, while Thigpen would be intercepted 4,021 times, run out of bounds 23 times, call timeout 62 times, attempt to punt the football 511 times, and, on 980 occasions, heave the rock left-handed out of the back of the enemy end zone. Correct?

FAX
When Thigpen has a chance to run the Patriots offense you will be able to compare them more fairly.


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