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MIAdragon 05-27-2009 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 5796037)
Engram is 36.

Bradley was a street free agent that has shown that he has the ability to contribute and possibly be our #2 receiver.

and spend major time on the DL

HemiEd 05-27-2009 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5796030)
The best way is somehwere in the middle.

You need a good mix of youth and experience.

You need vets who know how to prepare, who understand the game, who serve as mentors and examples for the kids you bring in.

But you have to always be looking for young guys that can repace the vets as their skills diminish.

The Steelers serve as the best example of the way things should work.

And Herman ****ing Edwards can choke on Donkey balls.

I agree, and furthermore, you don't need existing pro bowl veterans, from a loser, that are setting bad examples.
You need guys that are winners, have won, and expect to win.

It is not easy to break the losing mentality, but I think Pioli is doing it the best way.

kcbubb 05-27-2009 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 5796108)
Where are you going to get those players? off the street?

Pioli is supposed to be "THE TALENT EVALUATOR". Shouldn't he be able to find a possible MLB in the 3-4 scheme or a #3 wide receiver to replace Thomas and Engram???

What about the guy we drafted, Quinten at WR?

And there have been several undrafted LBs that have had success in the 3-4. I thought that is why we got Pioli. Shouldn't he have an eye for the diamond in the rough???

Micjones 05-27-2009 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5796030)
The best way is somehwere in the middle.

You need a good mix of youth and experience.

You need vets who know how to prepare, who understand the game, who serve as mentors and examples for the kids you bring in.

But you have to always be looking for young guys that can repace the vets as their skills diminish.

The Steelers serve as the best example of the way things should work.

And Herman ****ing Edwards can choke on Donkey balls.

FTW!

the Talking Can 05-27-2009 09:57 AM

chiefs fans need to take a nap....

milkman 05-27-2009 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 5796100)
why not try to fill them now??? is engram or thomas going to be here next year? why wait?

that's my point, why not try to find a guy that can fill those spots that could have a future and then you may have one less hole to fill or maybe even a little depth if you have to upgrade.

Because you don't have young players to fill those holes.

6th, 7th round draft picks and UDFAs are in those rounds and on the street for a reason.

Hitting on those players is not common place.

If a Bryant Johnston or Wes Dacus turn out to be better players than Mike Vrabel and Zach Thomas, they'll earn their place on the field.

The entire premise of your thread is a ****ing fantasy.

JFC.

kcbubb 05-27-2009 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 5796118)
Dude, kcbubb, this team was a giant shit sandwich. The vets are not here to make a superbowl run. They were brought in totemporarily fill holes until we can get a building block or two in here. Looking at who else they could have had, in most cases (except maybe Engram) you can see that they wanted a couple vets with leadership than some worthless Sammy Parker-esque scrub that we could have brought in. They're both unlikely to be around after next year anyway.
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I think I responded to this with....

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Originally Posted by kcbubb
why not try to fill them now??? is engram or thomas going to be here next year? why wait?

that's my point, why not try to find a guy that can fill those spots that could have a future and then you may have one less hole to fill or maybe even a little depth if you have to upgrade.


DaKCMan AP 05-27-2009 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 5796131)
Pioli is supposed to be "THE TALENT EVALUATOR". Shouldn't he be able to find a possible MLB in the 3-4 scheme or a #3 wide receiver to replace Thomas and Engram???

What about the guy we drafted, Quinten at WR?

And there have been several undrafted LBs that have had success in the 3-4. I thought that is why we got Pioli. Shouldn't he have an eye for the diamond in the rough???

LMAO

keg in kc 05-27-2009 10:01 AM

One major problem with your "throw the young guys in" scenario is that player development is not a one-year process, especially with day 2 and undrafted players.

ChiTown 05-27-2009 10:01 AM

I'll assume this was kcbubb's attempt at humor.........

DaKCMan AP 05-27-2009 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 5796152)
I'll assume this was kcbubb's attempt at humor.........

See.. another vote for the 'kcbubb is dumb and DaKCMan AP is Awesome' option. Neglecting to include it in the poll is criminal!

kcbubb 05-27-2009 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5796145)
Because you don't have young players to fill those holes.

6th, 7th round draft picks and UDFAs are in those rounds and on the street for a reason.

Hitting on those players is not common place.

If a Bryant Johnston or Wes Dacus turn out to be better players than Mike Vrabel and Zach Thomas, they'll earn their place on the field.

The entire premise of your thread is a ****ing fantasy.

JFC.

The odds are slim that's true. But those older players won't be on the team next year anyway.

I would rather take a chance with a younger guy. If he sucks, and you cut him then that this same result that you have with Engram or Thomas.

The roster is the same. With a bad young player or an old vet. Both are probably not on the team the next year.

If he is decent, then you have some depth and on the long shot that he is James Harrison then you hit a home run.

DaKCMan AP 05-27-2009 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 5796158)
The odds are slim that's true. But those older players won't be on the team next year anyway.

I would rather take a chance with a younger guy. If he sucks, and you cut him then that this same result that you have with Engram or Thomas.

The roster is the same. With a bad young player or an old vet. Both are probably not on the team the next year.

If he is decent, then you have some depth and on the long shot that he is James Harrison then you hit a home run.

You. Just. Don't. Get. It.

Go read Patriot Reign (I'm making a large assumption that you can read) and maybe you'll start to understand, but I'm not optimistic that you will.

BTW, James Harrison sat on the bench for 4 years in Pittsburgh before starting in 2007.

milkman 05-27-2009 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 5796158)
The odds are slim that's true. But those older players won't be on the team next year anyway.

I would rather take a chance with a younger guy. If he sucks, and you cut him then that this same result that you have with Engram or Thomas.

The roster is the same. With a bad young player or an old vet. Both are probably not on the team the next year.

If he is decent, then you have some depth and on the long shot that he is James Harrison then you hit a home run.

And the odds that an UDFA is going to make your roster is almost the same as the odds that Mike Vrabel will be on this team in 2012.

You might get one or two UDFA that can actually play, but if they can't play, you are hurting your team even more by not having players on your roster today that can play.

This is just ****ing too ridiculous to even argue about.

CoMoChief 05-27-2009 10:10 AM

If you're in a transitional period with coaching scheme's etc, you need stop gap players. Not everything can be fixed via draft. Having that said you need to build through the draft and draft well. I don't think this season's draft is THE draft to build around, sadly. Next season's draft is going to be a HUGE defensive draft. I'm excited about that.


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