Which reminds me. People, just say "no" to drugs.

ROFL:spock:

So then what you're saying is that before the Broncos even traded for Kyle Orton.....you were singing his praises....right? You thought he was this GOD of a QB when he was on the Bears.....right?

Not only that, but now, apparently, Orton is Tom Brady.

I think Denver should return those first round picks to Chicago immediately. Wouldn't be fair otherwise. LMAO

I thought Orton sucked when we first got him. I didn't know how well he played the first half of last season though.

I think Orton is good enough to win games and won't hurt our team. He should be better than ever with the offensive line, RB's, and WR's we have here.

Die, dumbass

That might be true and, for your team's sake, it had better be true. But that's a far cry from "has the skillsets Tom Brady has". As I said before, The taller you make the hill, the longer the drop to the bottom. Going to the hated rival's message board and pimping a player who's been in the bottom tier of NFL QBs to this point in his career by attaching him to the best QB in the game is really not a particularly smart approach to things.

Tom Brady is overrated. He is a good QB, but he's not head and shoulders above Manning, Rivers, Big Ben, Drew Brees, or Kurt Warner.

You know the quote...

http://kathrynsmoore.files.wordpress...rrest-gump.jpg

Run Forrest run?

Stupid is as KnowMo says?

In my view, the biggest flaw in your assessment of Orton is the fact that he was able to play, and thrive, in a relatively conservative offensive playcalling system because of the Bears defense. The philosophy of that team was such and the gameplane was not to put the game on the shoulders of the QB.

Unfortunately, Orton's success in Chicago doesn't correlate to Denver because in Denver your not going to playing in the same types of games simply because of the lack of defense. Barred some miracle that Denver might actually be able to stop someone on defense, more of the teams success is going to be put on Orton than it ever was in Chicago. This is where he will fail, because he is limited athletically. McDaniels probably recognizes this because he's signed and drafted all those RB's.

fo real?

Totally agree on the defense aspect... however, I don't see the Denver offense being totally dependent upon Orton. There's a reason they drafted Moreno and piled up guys like Jordan and Buckhalter in the offseason. It's not going to be pass happy crazy like it was in 2008.

Will Orton's role be increased compared to the caretaker role he played in Chicago? Most certainly.

Will Denver's defense put them in situations where they will have to abandon the run and play catch-up? Oh yeah... the only thing that I can say is that (with Marshall) and the other weapons, he has a better chance at being successful in that role compared to anything he had in Chicago when those situations came up.

"Look at Jake Plummer's supporting cast and what he was able to do with zero talent around him on offense. He'll be a REALLY good QB with Shanahan calling complicated, explosive plays, where he can roll out, scramble, and use that incredible arm of his."

Do you guys plan on playing the Chiefs' 2002 defense every game? That's the only way Orton has any success at all in his first year as Broncos QB, I'm afraid.