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DaKCMan AP 08-19-2009 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 5984737)
I totally agree... next year could have an AMAZING HOF class.

Jerry Rice and Emmitt Smith are locks. Then there's: Cris Carter, Tim Brown, Andre Reed, John Randle, Aeneas Williams, Thannon Tharpe, Eddie George among others.

Then 2011 adds Marshall Faulk, Curtis Martin, Jerome Bettis and Deion Sanders.

LTL 08-19-2009 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 5984752)
Jerry Rice and Emmitt Smith are locks. Then there's: Cris Carter, Tim Brown, Andre Reed, John Randle, Aeneas Williams, Thannon Tharpe, Eddie George among others.

Then 2011 adds Marshall Faulk, Curtis Martin, Jerome Bettis and Deion Sanders.

Is Shields eligible in 2011 or 2012?

Amnorix 08-19-2009 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 5984719)
There are really only a handful of elite coaches, none of the 3 fit. But, while the HOF should = elite for every category, it does not.


It does in my mind. Lynn Swann would've been inducted over my rotting corpse. I'm a stickler across the board:

Pete Rose - NO
Shoeless Joe - NO
Lynn Swann - NO
Dan freaking Reeves - NO

If you don't have at least a couple SB rings in your collection as a coach, you better impress the hell out of me as to why. Or else have something else to put on the resume, like a Dick LeBeau.

Hall of Fame coaches are guys like Gibbs, Walsh, Parcells, Lombardi, Landry, Shula, Brown, Noll and Belichick. Guys that defined the job and were outstanding at it for a prolonged period.

53% regular season record despite lengthy stays with the clubs he coached, and no Super Bowl victories? Not even close, in my mind.

RippedmyFlesh 08-19-2009 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5984729)
Maybe.

However, if you are a HoF voter, when you look at his record and see his overall playoff record, and see that his teams failed to take advantage of homefield advantage 6 times(?), 7 times(?), I don't think you vote for him.

Again, using Chuck Knox, he had the same kind of regular season success, and a better overall playoff record and hasn't sniffed the hall.

I just can't see Marty getting in.

I guess you are correct the playoff record is too hard to overlook. If just1 just frickin 1 of those 13-3 teams got a ring he would be a sure thing HOF coach.
Cowher walks on water and won 1 ring. I think that would have been enough for marty.

milkman 08-19-2009 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 5984752)
Jerry Rice and Emmitt Smith are locks. Then there's: Cris Carter, Tim Brown, Andre Reed, John Randle, Aeneas Williams, Thannon Tharpe, Eddie George among others.

Then 2011 adds Marshall Faulk, Curtis Martin, Jerome Bettis and Deion Sanders.

There is no way in hell I'd even give a second thought about leaving Eddie George out of the hall.

He was just a mediocre back that got a lot of carries.

Mile High Mania 08-19-2009 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 5984752)
Jerry Rice and Emmitt Smith are locks. Then there's: Cris Carter, Tim Brown, Andre Reed, John Randle, Aeneas Williams, Thannon Tharpe, Eddie George among others.

Then 2011 adds Marshall Faulk, Curtis Martin, Jerome Bettis and Deion Sanders.

Jerry Rice
Emmit Smith
Shannon Sharpe
Cris Carter

Those should be the locks... Brown, Reed, Randle, George will get in, but maybe not this year.

There will be a few old timers in the next class, but those 4 are who I would vote for ...

DaKCMan AP 08-19-2009 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by LTL (Post 5984757)
Is Shields eligible in 2011 or 2012?

Eligible for class of 2012.

Mile High Mania 08-19-2009 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 5984759)
Hall of Fame coaches are guys like Gibbs, Walsh, Parcells, Lombardi, Landry, Shula, Brown, Noll and Belichick. Guys that defined the job and were outstanding at it for a prolonged period.

If you're putting Belichick in there with those guys, you have to include Shanahan.

Amnorix 08-19-2009 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5984733)
I would argue that the Donkeys didn't really have all that much talent outside of Elway.

The Pro Bowl / All-Pro voters would disagree.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...n/all-pros.htm

Reeves coached Denver from '81-92. Were there a bunch of other HOFers? No. But there was very solid talent.

Belichick has dominated the NFL for years with one all-world QB and a bunch of "very solid talent" that isn't likely to get into the HOF either. Seymour, maybe. Vinatieri, maybe. Moss, obviously, but none of the SBs involved him (yet).

DaKCMan AP 08-19-2009 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5984768)
There is no way in hell I'd even give a second thought about leaving Eddie George out of the hall.

He was just a mediocre back that got a lot of carries.

I agree, the dude had a career 3.6 ypc average. However, the media loves him.

Amnorix 08-19-2009 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 5984779)
If you're putting Belichick in there with those guys, you have to include Shanahan.

I think Shanarat is a HELL of a coach. Unfortunately, he was not a hell of a GM. I don't think the world sees him at quite the level of the guys I mentioned, but without reviewing his record I'd still think he's a HOF coach. He's got the multiple rings and was consistently extremely good for a very long time.

Amnorix 08-19-2009 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5984768)
There is no way in hell I'd even give a second thought about leaving Eddie George out of the hall.

He was just a mediocre back that got a lot of carries.

I'd like to see his stats, but that's about my impression too. I'd change "mediocre" to "slightly above average" and I agree.

Mile High Mania 08-19-2009 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 5984790)
I think Shanarat is a HELL of a coach. Unfortunately, he was not a hell of a GM. I don't think the world sees him at quite the level of the guys I mentioned, but without reviewing his record I'd still think he's a HOF coach. He's got the multiple rings and was consistently extremely good for a very long time.

I don't think the GM piece will matter much when he's considered for the HOF, many years down the road... he'll be coaching in 2010, so he'll build on his legacy.

milkman 08-19-2009 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 5984794)
I'd like to see his stats, but that's about my impression too. I'd change "mediocre" to "slightly above average" and I agree.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...G/GeorEd00.htm

I'd call that mediocre, and I'd be generous in doin so.

Amnorix 08-19-2009 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 5984796)
I don't think the GM piece will matter much when he's considered for the HOF, many years down the road... he'll be coaching in 2010, so he'll build on his legacy.

If he's smart, he'll let someone else run the Front Office.


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