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htismaqe 09-16-2009 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6080091)
I disagree, I don't think teams will ever put their QB's in that position. Not to mention the league is still full of run the ball, play defense type of coaches.

There won't be any QB's to put in that position if 90% of all college programs adopt a spread/option/flex scheme...

Mecca 09-16-2009 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 6080102)
There won't be any QB's to put in that position if 90% of all college programs adopt a spread/option/flex scheme...

And that is why when you have the opportunity to draft a QB from a pro style offense, Ryan, Sanchez etc, you don't pass.

You know what I see happening? I see more Flacco types these guys from small schools that get drafted higher because they play in a proper offense.

And I believe there will be top level recruits that choose schools that play pro style for NFL reasons.

htismaqe 09-16-2009 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6080116)
And that is why when you have the opportunity to draft a QB from a pro style offense, Ryan, Sanchez etc, you don't pass.

You know what I see happening? I see more Flacco types these guys from small schools that get drafted higher because they play in a proper offense.

And I believe there will be top level recruits that choose schools that play pro style for NFL reasons.

Those types of guys are drying up in the FCS and Div II too. The spread offense is an equalizer and it's use is expanding at all levels.

High schools are playing flex/spread offenses and those are the guys going to college. It's an inevitable evolution from the bottom up.

At least that's the way I see it.

Mecca 09-16-2009 09:23 PM

I don't think the NFL will ever run the spread as a base offense ..so either these guys will have to adapt or they'll fail.

Maybe a team or 2 will but you will never see an NFL team not run from under center.

Silock 09-16-2009 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6079923)
you're just asking for it to blow up in your face.

That's what she said!

htismaqe 09-16-2009 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6080147)
I don't think the NFL will ever run the spread as a base offense ..so either these guys will have to adapt or they'll fail.

Maybe a team or 2 will but you will never see an NFL team not run from under center.

That's what I'm saying. There will come a point where the "adapt or fail" idea will FAIL to produce any viable NFL QB's. And then it will be the teams that have to adapt, not the players.

Mecca 09-16-2009 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 6080155)
That's what I'm saying. There will come a point where the "adapt or fail" idea will FAIL to produce any viable NFL QB's. And then it will be the teams that have to adapt, not the players.

I think either the QB's will have to make it Brees and Roethlisberger are from spreads and made it so there will either have to be exceptions or the league will be fully of QB's from the same schools.

There a reason these USC QB's keep getting drafted high...

Even the young QB's succeeding in the league today are guys from pro style offenses and I think the spread is hurting WR's too because when you look at the top WR's across the league none of them came from that system either.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-16-2009 10:46 PM

There is too much speed on defense for the college spread to ever work in the NFL; it's the same reason why the option never worked. The running plays take too long to develop, and there is so much speed in the back 7 that those short routes will be gobbled up.

Eventually QBs will realize that they are being dropped down boards due to the increased learning curve, the fact that they lack proper mechanics and footwork, and the fact that most of them put up big stats but have weak arm strength, and not a goddamned one of them can read a defense for shit.

Who was the first spread QB taken this year? Pat White, and he's not even really a QB. The first QB taken this year from a true spread offense was Bomar in Round 5. They'll go higher this year, but it wouldn't surprise me at all to see Snead end up as the #1 QB on most people's boards, as he won't take 3 years to turn into an NFL quarterback, and not a guy who needs to look at his coaches for 20 seconds while they read the defense.

GMs and coaches get fired too quickly. Were this 20 years ago, spread QBs would be more accepted, as regimes had more time to iron out the kinks, but as it stands now, no one is going to use their entire grace period on a QBOTF who needs to be taught how to play football from the ground up.

Buehler445 09-16-2009 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6079923)
Personally I'd never draft a spread QB, you're just asking for it to blow up in your face.

I think you take him late and develop his talent.

I think it will be a gradual thing, but dudes will start to fall. The problem I see is guys that are in spreads now are undersized. If you see guys with prototypical size, like Gabbert for instance do everything right in college and take a dive, then you might see some lightbulbs go on for recruits.

Buehler445 09-16-2009 11:53 PM

And to Hamas' point, you can't take Mizzou's offense and plug it into the NFL, but you'll see teams continually work more stuff into their offense that their personnel do well. Shit Atlanta ran a college offense for Vick. Vick is a toolbox, but they still did it.

It will just be a little more gradual. Right now, in college, there just aren't a lot of guys that I want QBing my team. Am I off base or is the QB pool just shit this year?

Mecca 09-17-2009 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 6080374)
And to Hamas' point, you can't take Mizzou's offense and plug it into the NFL, but you'll see teams continually work more stuff into their offense that their personnel do well. Shit Atlanta ran a college offense for Vick. Vick is a toolbox, but they still did it.

It will just be a little more gradual. Right now, in college, there just aren't a lot of guys that I want QBing my team. Am I off base or is the QB pool just shit this year?

Eh the spread has really screwed up alot of stuff, now we have all these midget QB's or guys not getting proper coaching for the next level.

Of course frankly how many top notch QB's are there? There are never going to be enough for every NFL team to have one that's just how it works. The spread fixation I think will mean less so the NFL teams will pine even more for one.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-17-2009 12:21 AM

If you look at the QB class for next year:

Jevan Snead is the only legit QB prospect from a pro system. He's a lot like Jay Cutler, with a little less arm strength. I have no idea as to his mental makeup.

Bradford is a spread monkey with lots of question marks about his ability to read a defense, play from under center, footwork, and arm strength.

McCoy has all the same questions as Bradford, with a checkered injury history and a smaller frame. He's built a lot like Brodie Croyle.

Tebow is a future NFL special teams player. He has an awful throwing motion with all the questions of Bradford. He's basically a white Charlie Ward. Great college player who has no position in the NFL

There are a couple of MAC QBs in Hiller and LeFevour, and Tony Pike who are interesting specimens, but have a lot of concerns with scheme, injury, etc.

It's a bad, bad class. The lack of depth of last year with the lack of a top end prospect.

Mecca 09-17-2009 12:36 AM

And that sums up why when you have the chance to take a Stafford or a Sanchez you don't pass.

I still don't remotely believe the NFL is going to change because college football went spread crazy.

Tribal Warfare 09-17-2009 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6080421)
And that sums up why when you have the chance to take a Stafford or a Sanchez you don't pass.

I still don't remotely believe the NFL is going to change because college football went spread crazy.

I wonder if it's possible that college football would penalize teams for using the spread as their base which would be categorized as an illegal formation. If the NFL is worried about that they could discuss it with the NCAA.

Valiant 09-17-2009 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6079987)
Great, I think it's ****ing up development for the next level but to each their own.

It is not their job to prepare them for the next level.. Their job is to win games, conferences and titles..


My prediction is the NFL starts getting more gimmicky which you will hate..


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