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RippedmyFlesh 09-17-2009 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 6080839)
When you stop and think about it, Haley and Pioli may have an interesting offensive personnel strategy playing out here.

Surely, we can assume that both Pioli and Haley realize that our o-line is sub-par and unable to consistently provide sufficient run-blocking to establish a significant rushing threat or (God forbid) pass protection. I have to believe they recognize this problem and would, in an ideal world, prefer to build the offense inside-out.

However, they've been unfortunately unable to either identify, recruit, or acquire (for whatever reason) meaningful upgrades to the line - at least, up to now.

So, instead, they're attempting to dramatically improve the receiver corp. This might make sense. If the line can't be depended upon to allow the QB to consistently take 7 step drops and/or go through all his possible reads, sure-handed receivers who can run quick 5 to 15 yard routes might be a back-handed solution to the problem.

We might be looking at an offense that features more 3 to 5 step drops, rollouts, and boots combined with quick outs, slants, as well as short curls and hooks. Reminiscent of the West Coast offense. To do that, you need guys who aren't afraid to catch the ball in traffic, have sure hands, and can take a hit. You also need guys who will block for the other guys, if you want YAC, that is. That may be why we're going through so many receivers ... trying to find players who can dependably fill that role. Possible?

FAX
Makes perfect sense.
I think a team will hold onto solid backup olineman at the expense of a serviceable backup wideout. In a nutshell easier to find wideouts than olineman. A wideout from a small school can do well but usually the ideal size lineman tend to go to name schools. Bigger pool to pick from.

RustShack 09-17-2009 08:53 AM
Its an improvement, but not a big one. It could get us by if we had an Oline and running game though.

Skyy God 09-17-2009 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 6080753)
Denver, Arizona, NE, Pittsburgh, <b>Cincinatti</b>, Bills, <b>Indy</b>, SD, Green Bay, Saints.
Coles and Gonzalez? Child please.

Dave Lane 09-17-2009 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by RippedmyFlesh (Post 6080853)
With a fixed oline to be able to actually run down field patterns and the right counterpart at wr he could be a solid 1. The dropoff after bowe here is so great it's almost hard to picture what he would look like in that scenario.
The problem is there is NO fix for the OL you can pick up off the street. Just no upgrade out there. Apparently Runyan was no help but we looked. We traded to Miami to get a RT so they are trying just no help thats an upgrade out there.

Chief Faithful 09-17-2009 09:14 AM
I don't remember a coach in the history of the organization that has so much knowledge of and puts so much emphasis on the WR position. Pioli and Haley are making this team one that will be fun to support.

PunkinDrublic 09-17-2009 09:15 AM
I'm just happy Haley has set a higher level of expectations for our recievers. Bradley really made a couple of poor attempts to get a first down and now he has Wade breathing down his neck for playing time. So while the talent level isn't there yet the expectations to run better routes and get the first down are.

cdcox 09-17-2009 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 6080839)
When you stop and think about it, Haley and Pioli may have an interesting offensive personnel strategy playing out here.

Surely, we can assume that both Pioli and Haley realize that our o-line is sub-par and unable to consistently provide sufficient run-blocking to establish a significant rushing threat or (God forbid) pass protection. I have to believe they recognize this problem and would, in an ideal world, prefer to build the offense inside-out.

However, they've been unfortunately unable to either identify, recruit, or acquire (for whatever reason) meaningful upgrades to the line - at least, up to now.

So, instead, they're attempting to dramatically improve the receiver corp. This might make sense. If the line can't be depended upon to allow the QB to consistently take 7 step drops and/or go through all his possible reads, sure-handed receivers who can run quick 5 to 15 yard routes might be a back-handed solution to the problem.

We might be looking at an offense that features more 3 to 5 step drops, rollouts, and boots combined with quick outs, slants, as well as short curls and hooks. Reminiscent of the West Coast offense. To do that, you need guys who aren't afraid to catch the ball in traffic, have sure hands, and can take a hit. You also need guys who will block for the other guys, if you want YAC, that is. That may be why we're going through so many receivers ... trying to find players who can dependably fill that role. Possible?

FAX
I think the right analogy is that the Chiefs offense is house with a leaky roof and a broken HVAc system. We're going to throw some tar paper up on the roof and buy a couple of window fans and make the best of it, while we wait for the repairman to arrive. If the HVAC man shows up before the roofer, we'll at least be cool, but the house won't be in acceptable shape until both problems are fixed.

Chiefs=Champions 09-17-2009 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 6080753)
Denver, Arizona, NE, Pittsburgh, Cincinatti, Bills, Indy, SD, Green Bay, Saints.
SD have two Vincent Jacksons..? Im going to call :BS: on that one... Oh and Pittsburgh? Holmes is great, but Ward is almost done, hes not really talented per say either more so an over achiever if you ask me...

EDIT:

Wait and NO to??? Colston id fantasic but they dont have anyone else greater or equal to Bowe on that roster... Potentially they do, but not yet...

PunkinDrublic 09-17-2009 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 6080953)
I think the right analogy is that the Chiefs offense is house with a leaky roof and a broken HVAc system. We're going to throw some tar paper up on the roof and buy a couple of window fans and make the best of it, while we wait for the repairman to arrive. If the HVAC man shows up before the roofer, we'll at least be cool, but the house won't be in acceptable shape until both problems are fixed.
It's like when your cougar girlfriend gets implants and some surgery. Sure she looks good enough to keep banging for the near future but at some point you're going to want to upgrade.

I like analogies.

RippedmyFlesh 09-17-2009 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 6080911)
The problem is there is NO fix for the OL you can pick up off the street. Just no upgrade out there. Apparently Runyan was no help but we looked. We traded to Miami to get a RT so they are trying just no help thats an upgrade out there.
I agree I am looking long term. People think you can just snap your fingers and a good olineman will appear. At this point it's a little late for this year. A $$ free agent in the off season and a draft pick next year is the soonest I see it being fixed.

CoMoChief 09-17-2009 09:46 AM
WR's: suck
Oline: Uber suckage
LB: suck
KR/PR Uber suckage

Micjones 09-17-2009 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by I=SUCK (Post 6080483)
Seriously though, how many teams actually have 2 WRs at Bowes level or better..?
Not many, but shhh... Don't say that too loudly.
People think it's normal to have Fitzgerald AND Boldin AND Breaston.

Buehler445 09-17-2009 10:08 AM
Mecca, I think you're being overly critical.

There are some teams that have a lot worse WR corps out there now.

Look at the Giants. They're starting two rooks. They may end up better, but right now, I don't think you can say they are better.

The Cowboys have Roy Williams who has been reasonably on par with Bowe, then what? Crayton? I don't remember.

Who the hell does San Fran even have?

Jacksonville doesn't have anyone to get excited about, either does Tennessee.

The Raiders are in pretty much the same boat as NY.

Chicago's leading threat is Dante Hall pt 2.

I think we're on par with Miami, Jets, Seachickens, and there are several other teams, like St Loser, Cleveland, and Redskins (though I imagine that the redskins have a solid lineup) that I have no clue what they're fielding.

I think it is fair to say that our squad is average. How the **** long have we waited for an average group.

But the point is the progress we've made without dropping huge money and high draft picks (yes I know Bowe was a #1, but the OP makes the comparison to last year) is pretty ****ing solid. These guys aren't going to set records, but they are a significant improvement from last year.
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Micjones 09-17-2009 10:09 AM
The Chiefs WR corps is drastically improved over 1 year ago.
If Bradley can stay healthy... You've got your #2. A very productive #2.

Buehler445 09-17-2009 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 6081123)
The Chiefs WR corps is drastically improved over 1 year ago.
If Bradley can stay healthy... You've got your #2. A very productive #2.
Did he miss any games last year after we picked him up?
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