Not as much. This team needs to learn how to win games. We need talent. And the fact that we just got rid out of ALL of the talent we had in a failing rebuilding project from tweedle dee and dumb makes this more sickening. Everytime a MIN game comes on, my buddy from Minneapolis texts me saying "Thanks for Allen" which really ****ing pisses me off. Allen and TonyG both are game changers. Jared Allen takes the ball away from opposing teams.....cuts down their scoring. Gives the ball back to the offense which is was we desperately need. We are awful on 3rd down....have been since he's left. TonyG is the opposite, on 3rd down he's in the clutch, he makes plays, keeps the chains moving. And is a huge threat in the endzone, somwhere this team doesn't have a ****ing clue how to get to. You simply need good players to win games. Players play....coaches coach.

I mean...WTF....Jared Allen outsacked the entire Chiefs team last season.....BY HIMSELF!!!! If that is not a giant kick in the go-nads to this organization I dont know what is. We got rid of the DE that was SUPPOSED to replace him (McBride) just another dipshitted dumbass 2nd rd pick from Carl and Co. FAIL just like Bernard Pollard.

Cottam and Morgan won't crack the starting lineup with Haley and Co here. Albert is not even close to living up to the expectations that would even make this trade look remotely even.

The TonyG trade doesn't bother as much, having that said Cassel would love to throw to him. Any developing QB would....I'm sure Ryan is loving it. But he was older and the thought was to get something out of him before he retires. Which we got a 2nd rounder. Actually a value of a 3rd since its next year's draft. But Allen was only 26, and had about 6-7 good quality seasons ahead of him barring any injuries. You just simply don't get rid of good young players unless theyre a cancer to the team. The whole alcohol thing IMO blew over and he changed his ways. To use that as an excuse is ****ing reeruned. Some people's arguments here were, well if he got caught again he'd be suspended for a full season.......uh OK, so instead of having him 7 seasons we get him for 6. BFD. All fingers pointed to him changing his ways.....he got into incredible shape, played like a badass on a shitty team, then got ****ed come negotiation time.

Thanks Carl. I hope you watched last night's game. Not that you care....you're probably rotting away somehwere, being a ****ing dickhead towards waiters at restaurants while they go in the back and put pubes in your food.

Yes, but even in that case there can be some argument. The post you're responding to said, "You never ever trade a Pro Bowl caliber DE in his prime". I would argue that some people think Seymour is past his prime. Or, if he's still in his prime, it's only for one more season, maybe two. So getting a high 1st for him was a great deal, especially when your team has talent in the other areas.

In KC's case, having little talent, and having JA fairly young, I think it was a ridiculously stupid move to dump him. At least when Pioli moved Tony G he was moving a guy in the twilight of his career who didn't want to be in KC.

Not with Clark here. If Lamar was still alive then yes....in fact Carl would be here forever.

I don't know if I'd go that far, a target to pull double coverage off Bowe and to be a reliable over the middle source for Matt Cassel would sure be nice. And Allen putting pressure on the QB to get him to get rid of it faster towards Brandon Flowers direction, I bet you as a whole we'd have 2 wins.

Fixed it for ya Skip

We got fumbles and false start in exchange.

As it turns out, we got Madoffed.