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BigChiefFan 10-14-2009 12:02 PM

I wanted to put Terrance Cody down as our first, second round pick, but don't believe he will actually be there in the 2nd round.

DJ's left nut 10-14-2009 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6170906)
Adding a great WR to a team that doesn't have an OL or pass rush, or much else, doesn't do much to rebuild the team.

Wrong.

Adding a true playmaker in a playmaker's league will help the team a great deal.

Adding a MFing 3-4 DE or RT prospect with a #3 pick does not.

We need a difference maker. A good edge-rusher can be had with the 2nd rounder and you damn near build an entire O-line with a handful of savvy 2nd/3rd/4th round picks.

You take your difference makers when you have a chance to get them. Get your muckers late. This team is completely devoid of players that can make something happen and that will simply not work in today's NFL.

salame 10-14-2009 12:05 PM

we could get arrelious benn in the second though at the top of the second

DJ's left nut 10-14-2009 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6170955)
Marcus McNeill is a second round pick, who by the way, struggled mightily in his second season.

He's also a guy I have to assume we'd have drafted if Willie Roaf had been upfront about his intentions.

Everytime I see Marcus McNeill pancake a bitch I curse the name of Willie Roaf. Oh how I hate him.

DJ's left nut 10-14-2009 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by salame (Post 6171078)
we could get arrelious benn in the second though at the top of the second

Benn has the look of another Ted Ginn Jr. to me.

Bryant is a far more talented player and a true difference maker. I think Benn will be little more than a floater and occasional HR hitter. Essentially a younger, maybe slightly better, version of Mark Bradley.

BigChiefFan 10-14-2009 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by salame (Post 6171078)
we could get arrelious benn in the second though at the top of the second

Why, when we can have the BEST WR prospect since Calvin Johnson? Benn is a good player, Dez Bryant has the potential to be one of the best WRs in the league.

Chiefnj2 10-14-2009 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 6171071)
Wrong.

Adding a true playmaker in a playmaker's league will help the team a great deal.

Adding a MFing 3-4 DE or RT prospect with a #3 pick does not.

We need a difference maker. A good edge-rusher can be had with the 2nd rounder and you damn near build an entire O-line with a handful of savvy 2nd/3rd/4th round picks.

You take your difference makers when you have a chance to get them. Get your muckers late. This team is completely devoid of players that can make something happen and that will simply not work in today's NFL.

Did great WRs' help the Lions? Braylon Edwards help the Browns? Warrick help the Bengals?

Plus, KC doesn't even target Bowe all that much.

DJ's left nut 10-14-2009 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6171111)
Did great WRs' help the Lions? Braylon Edwards help the Browns? Warrick help the Bengals?

Plus, KC doesn't even target Bowe all that much.

Warrick sucked. Braylon Edwards made a HUGE difference two seasons ago before he got the yips.

And yes, Calvin Johnson (the only 'great WR' the Lions have had) has absolutely helped the Lions. Do they have a lot more work to do? Absolutely, but with a legitimate playmaker on offense, they're a hell of a lot closer to consistently winning football games than KC is.

And we don't target Bowe because he's a glorified version of Jericho Cotchery. He's a possession WR and little else; he's hardly worthy of comparisons to Dez Bryant.

BigChiefFan 10-14-2009 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6171111)
Did great WRs' help the Lions? Braylon Edwards help the Browns? Warrick help the Bengals?

Plus, KC doesn't even target Bowe all that much.

Did Michael Irvin help Troy Aikman? Did Jerry Rice help Montana? Does Moss help Brady? Etc..of course, playmakers, make plays. That doesn't mean you rest on your laurels, but when you can make a substantial upgrade to a severe weakness, you do that.

ChiefGator 10-14-2009 12:15 PM

I absolutely love taking Dez Bryant in the first.. (hope he comes out). Our receivers can't get open and Bowe would make a great #2 WR, if Bryant can really live up to his apparent NFL potential. Our passing game desperately needs playmakers.

Take a bunch of o-line after that. Hopefully we get a couple decent vets in FA too though.

Chiefnj2 10-14-2009 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 6171124)
Did Michael Irvin help Troy Aikman? Did Jerry Rice help Montana? Does Moss help Brady? Etc..of course, playmakers, make plays. That doesn't mean you rest on your laurels, but when you can make a substantial upgrade to a severe weakness, you do that.

Your comparing the Chiefs to the greatest dynasties in the NFL.

BigChiefFan 10-14-2009 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6171129)
Your comparing the Chiefs to the greatest dynasties in the NFL.

How was Aikman's first year again?

Chiefnj2 10-14-2009 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 6171134)
How was Aikman's first year again?

Who is our Herschel Walker to trade?

DJ's left nut 10-14-2009 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6171164)
Who is our Herschel Walker to trade?

Well, take last year's draft and this year's and you'll have a good start. Let's trade Cassel, Jackson and McGee for a first, 2nd and 3rd in this year's draft. Think anyoone will take us up on it?

Seeing as how we pissed away what amounts to an entire draft on an overpaid ancilliary position in Tyson Jackson, and another overpaid game manager; not to mention a 3rd on a guy that will only see the field by completely eliminating the value of our former #5 overall pick. It seems to me that we were in an okay position to actually get a playmaker or two over the next couple of seasons.

We didn't need a Walker trade, we needed the guys we have in charge to not do dumb shit like pay a 3-4 defensive end franchise QB money and take him #3 overall.

salame 10-14-2009 12:56 PM

hey I like Dez Bryant just as much as the next guy but he may not even be reinstated and if that's the case he may be there in the 2nd or 3rd anyways


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