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'Hamas' Jenkins 10-17-2009 09:41 AM

Bwana also forgot to mention the importance of eating your boogers.

**** YOU, BWANA, YOU CHARLATAN!! **** YOU!!

Bwana 10-17-2009 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6178568)
Bwana also forgot to mention the importance of eating your boogers.

**** YOU, BWANA, YOU CHARLATAN!! **** YOU!!

Yeeeeeeeah, I think I'll take a pass on that one. :spock:

'Hamas' Jenkins 10-17-2009 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Bwana (Post 6178576)
Yeeeeeeeah, I think I'll take a pass on that one. :spock:

Is it necessary that I drink my own urine? No, but I do it anyway, because it's sterile and I like the taste.

Bwana 10-17-2009 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6178593)
Is it necessary that I drink my own urine? No, but I do it anyway, because it's sterile and I like the taste.

Bear! Bear Grylls!?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_fHn-jgdR1S...rtle_blood.jpg

Simply Red 10-17-2009 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Bwana (Post 6178630)

I never saw that episode, after seeing the piss-sack in fish's turtle massacre thread. I doubt i'd ever get that thirsty, i'd probably just die, or something.

baitism 10-17-2009 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 6178539)
Link please.

Researcher Fabricated Autism Link in Vaccine
Posted by JeanneSager

The man who launched a decade's-long fear for parents heading to have their children vaccinated has been proven a forgery.

The Sunday Times revealed the results of an investigation today showing Andrew Wakefield, the man who posited that the MMR vaccine was at the root of the increased autism diagnoses, fabricated his research.

Published in 1998 in The Lancet, the study claimed eight out of twelve children vaccinated with the MMR innoculation began showing symptoms that fall somewhere on the autism spectrum within days of getting the shot. It was performed at the same time as another study, for which Wakefield was paid, that was supposed to help parents who believed there was a link between the two put up a legal case. Some of the kids were used in both studies, and Wakefield has often been accused of crossing a clear ethical boundary in performing both studies.

The study has borne numerous attacks over the years - in part because it included just twelve children - but it is the most-often quoted piece of evidence by parents who point a finger at pro-vax parents as risking their kids' lives (this despite studies published in the time period since that have debunked his story). The investigation by the Times is just another nail in the coffin for that line of thinking. The investigation revealed that in most of the twelve cases, the ailments described in Wakefield's published reports were different from their hospital and general practitioner records.

From the Times: "Although the research paper claimed that problems came on within days of the jab, in only one case did medical records suggest this was true, and in many of the cases medical concerns had been raised before the children were vaccinated."

I feel for parents of autistic children who are searching for a reason. Autism is very real and equally terrifying, but as a parent who has vaccinated her child, I have always bristled at the inference that I am a bad parent for making that choice - with so little evidence to support their claims.


http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/strol...n-vaccine.aspx

Vaccines didn't cause autism, court rules

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A special court ruled Thursday that evidence presented in three cases by parents of children with autism did not prove a link between autism and certain early childhood vaccines.

The ruling came from a panel of "special masters" who began hearing three test cases in 2007 involving children with autism -- a disorder that their parents contend was triggered by the vaccine against measles, mumps and rubella combined with vaccines containing thimerosal, a mercury-based preservative.

Three families -- the Cedillos, the Hazlehursts and the Snyders -- sought compensation from the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, but the panel ruled that they had not presented sufficient evidence to prove that the childhood vaccines caused autism in their children.

"I feel deep sympathy and admiration for the Cedillo family," Special Master George L. Hastings Jr. wrote in his ruling in the case involving 14-year-old Michelle Cedillo, who cannot speak, wears a diaper and requires round-the-clock monitoring in case she has a seizure.

"And I have no doubt that the families of countless other autistic children, families that cope every day with the tremendous challenges of caring for autistic children, are similarly deserving of sympathy and admiration. However, I must decide this case not on sentiment, but by analyzing the evidence," Hastings wrote. "In this case the evidence advanced by the petitioners has fallen far short of demonstrating such a link." Video Dr. Gupta: A look at the life of Michelle Cedillo »

In a statement shortly after the release of the decisions, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services said it continues to support research "to better understand the cause of autistic disorders and develop more effective methods of treatment." Paging Dr. Gupta blog: What the ruling tells us

However, "the medical and scientific communities ... have found no association between vaccines and autism."

"Hopefully, the determination by the Special Masters will help reassure parents that vaccines do not cause autism," the statement said.

Autism Speaks, a large autism advocacy organization, called for continued examination of the disorder's contributing factors.

"The causes of autism remain poorly understood. ... We will continue to support authoritative research that addresses unanswered questions about whether certain subgroups of individuals with particular underlying medical or genetic conditions may be more vulnerable to adverse effects of vaccines," the Autism Speaks statement reads, in part.

The Autism Society of America, one of the oldest and largest autism grassroots organization in the country, also called for more research into autism's causes.

"ASA believes that the science of autism causes and treatments need to be more vigorously researched. ... Individuals living with autism need help today, and this case illustrates the need for the medical community to probe further into environmental causes of autism. Like all families affected by autism, these families deserve to be heard and supported in their journey raising their children."

Since 2001, thousands of parents of autistic children have filed petitions seeking compensation from the VICP at HHS. Visit CNNhealth.com, your connection to better living

By mid-2008, more than 5,300 cases had been filed in the program -- and 5,000 of those were still awaiting adjudication, according to the agency. Video Watch Dr. Gupta discuss how court reached its decision.

A litigation steering committee is representing thousands of families that fall into three categories: those that claim that the measles, mumps and rubella vaccine can combine with thimerosal-containing vaccines to cause autism; those who claim thimerosal-containing vaccines alone can cause autism; and those who claim that MMR vaccines, without any link to thimerosal, can cause autism.

Prior to the release of Thursday's rulings, an attorney for the families, Thomas Powers, said the expected rulings would affect only the families that fall under the first category.


http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/02/12...nes/index.html

ilovemichaelsettle 10-17-2009 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6177768)
I don't get flu shots because I hate needles so I'm not getting any kind of shot I don't need.

well i think that it depends on how your body functions, i got mine, and i feel fine :) but thats why you take vitamin c pills at this time in our world, you would not believe how well they work

Bwana 10-17-2009 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by baitism (Post 6178655)
Researcher Fabricated Autism Link in Vaccine
Posted by JeanneSager

It's a roll of the dice and depends what you read doesn't it? Like I said, to each their own. I would say yes to the young, the old and people with compromised immune systems, but other than that I'd pass and go with vitaman D. That's just my opinion. I can see a valid argument for both sides.

http://www.naturalnews.com/027178_va...uralPedia.html

Bwana 10-17-2009 11:04 AM

I boosted this from Wolfmans thread....thanks Russ! :D


H1N1 Swine Flu Vaccine Insert Admits It Causes Guillain-Barre Syndrome, Vasculitis,..

<HR style="COLOR: #cccccc" SIZE=1><!-- / icon and title --><!-- message -->H1N1 Swine Flu Vaccine Insert Admits It Causes Guillain-Barre Syndrome, Vasculitis, Paralysis, Anaphylactic Shock And Death

Bird Flu Pandemic
Tuesday, Sept 29th, 2009

The package insert for the Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine manufactured by Novartis has been leaked on the Internet. According to that package insert, the vaccine (based on an earlier vaccine product known as Fluvirin) is known to cause a whole host of very nasty side effects such as guillain-barre syndrome, vasculitis, anaphylactic shock and even death.

Of course anyone who has been studying vaccine side effects already knows that it causes all of these things, but the story here is that the insert for the swine flu vaccine itself is admitting all of these things. The insert says that it was updated during September 2009, so it reflects the very latest information.

You can read the package insert for this vaccine for yourself right here…..

http://www.fluscam.com/Vaccine_Packa..._UCM182242.pdf

The following is a list of some of the very nasty side effects that the vaccine package insert admits to…..

*Local injection site reactions (including pain, pain limiting limb movement, redness, swelling, warmth, ecchymosis, induration)
*Hot flashes/flushes
*Chills
*Fever
*Malaise
*Shivering
*Fatigue
*Asthenia
*Facial edema.
*Immune system disorders
*Hypersensitivity reactions (including throat and/or mouth edema)
*In rare cases, hypersensitivity reactions have lead to anaphylactic shock and death
*Cardiovascular disorders
*Vasculitis (in rare cases with transient renal involvement)
*Syncope shortly after vaccination
*Digestive disorders
*Diarrhea
*Nausea
*Vomiting
*Abdominal pain.
*Blood and lymphatic disorders
*Local lymphadenopathy
*Transient thrombocytopenia.
*Metabolic and nutritional disorders
*Loss of appetite.
*Arthralgia
*Myalgia
*Myasthenia
*Nervous system disorders
*Headache
*Dizziness
*Neuralgia
*Paraesthesia
*Febrile convulsions
*Guillain-Barré Syndrome
*Myelitis (including encephalomyelitis and transverse myelitis)
*Neuropathy (including neuritis)
*Paralysis (including Bell’s Palsy)
*Respiratory disorders
*Dyspnea
*Chest pain
*Cough
*Pharyngitis
*Rhinitis
*Stevens-Johnson syndrome
*Pruritus
*Urticaria
*Rash (including non-specific, maculopapular, and vesiculobulbous).

Doesn’t all that sound wonderful?

Doesn’t that make you want to run out and sign up to get vaccinated?

Now keep in mind that this is just what the H1N1 swine flu vaccine insert admits to.

What else will this vaccine do to you if you take it?

That is something to think about my friends.

So is there anything that you can do to protect yourself if you are forced to take the swine flu vaccine?

Yes, there most certainly is.

Dr. Russell Blaylock is an expert on vaccines and their side effects, and he has distributed a list of things that you can do to reduce the nasty side effects of the swine flu vaccine…..

http://www.resistnet.com/forum/topic...duce-the-toxic

Dr Blaylock’s List of suggestions on How to Reduce the Toxic Effects of the A/H1N1 Vaccine, is as follows:

1. Number one on the list says Dr Blaylock, is to bring a cold pack with you and place it on the site of the injection as soon as you can, as this will block the immune reaction. Once you get home, continue using a cold pack throughout the day. If you continue to have immune reactions the following day, have cold showers and continue with the cold press.

2. Take fish oil. Eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA), one of the omega 3 fatty acids found in fish oil supplements, is a potent immune suppressant. If you take high dose EPA you will be more susceptible to infections, because it is a powerful immune suppressant. However, in the case of an immune adjuvant reaction, you want to reduce it. Studies show that if you take EPA oil one hour before injecting a very powerful adjuvant called lipopolysaccharide (LPS), it would completely block the ability of the LPS to cause brain inflammation. Take a moderate dose everyday and more if needed to tame a cytokine storm.

3. Flavonoids are third on the list, namely curcumin, quercetin, ferulic acid and ellagic acid, particularly in a mixture. The curcumin and quercetin in particular have been found to block the ability of the adjuvants to trigger a long-term immune reaction. If you take it an hour before the vaccination, it should help dampen the immune reactions says Dr Blaylock.

4. Vitamin E, the natural form that is high in gamma-E will help dampen the immune reactions and reduces several of the inflammatory cytokines.

5. An important ingredient on the list is Vitamin C at a dose of 1000 mg, taken four times a day between meals. It is a very potent anti-inflammatory and should be taken in a buffered form, not as absorbic acid, says Dr Blaylock.

6. Also use astaxanthin as it’s an anti-inflammatory. According to Dr Blaylock, fatal reactions to vaccines in aboriginal and African children occurred in those who were deficient in carotinoids, like astaxanthin. It is a good protection against the toxic effects of the vaccine.

7. Likewise, it was found that children who were deficient in zinc had a high mortality rate. Zinc is very protective against vaccine toxicity. (Do not use zinc mixed with copper however, as copper is a major trigger of free-radical generation according to Dr Blaylock).

8. Ensure you avoid all immune-stimulating supplements, such as mushroom extracts, whey protein and beta-glucan.

9. Take a multivitamin-mineral daily one that does not contain iron. This multivitamin-mineral is to make sure your body has plenty of B vitamins and selenium. Selenium, said Dr Blaylock, is very important for fighting viral infections and it reduces the inflammatory response to vaccines.

10. Magnesium citrate/malate 500 mg of elemental magnesium two capsules, three times a day. (This was not mentioned during the show, but was posted at Dr Deagle’s website, ClayandIron.com).

11. What is very important is vitamin D3, which is the only ‘vitamin’ the body can manufacture from sunlight (UVB). It is a neural hormone, not really a vitamin says Dr Blaylock and helps if you are over-reacting immunologically by cooling down the reaction. Similarly, if you are under-reacting, it helps to boost your immune response. In addition it also protects against microorganism invasion.

Black people and those in colder climates are particularly deficient, so they will almost certainly require supplementation.

Dr Blaylock recommends that following vaccination it will help to keep the immune reaction under control if:

i) All children get 5,000 units a day for two weeks after the vaccine and then 2,000 a units a day thereafter;

ii) Adults get 20,000 units a day after the vaccine for two weeks, then 10,000 units a day thereafter;

iii) And with that adults should take 500-1000 mg of calcium a day and children under the age of 12 years should take 250 mg a day, as vitamin D works more efficiently in the presence of calcium.

12. Ensure you avoid all mercury-containing seafood or any other sources of mercury, as the heavy metal is a very powerful inducer of autoimmunity, is known to make people more susceptible to viral infections and will be in H1N1 vaccines.

13. Avoid the oils that significantly suppress immunity and increase inflammation – such as corn, safflower, sunflower, soybean, canola and peanut oils.

14. Drink very concentrated white tea at least four times a day. It helps to prevent abnormal immune reactions.

15. Pop parsley and celery in a blender and drink 8 ounces of this mixture twice a day. Dr Blaylock says the parsley is very high in a flavonoid called apigenin and that celery is high in luteolin. Both are very potent in inhibiting autoimmune diseases, particularly the apigenin, so go and plant some parsley in your garden now.

So what can we learn from all of this?

First of all, if you blindly trust that the swine flu vaccine or even the regular seasonal flu vaccine is perfectly safe, then you are being completely and totally reckless.

The reality is that no vaccine is 100% safe.

Before you ever let someone stick a needle in your arm, do some serious research and find out about these things for yourself.

After you get vaccinated, you are responsible if something goes wrong. If you develop some really nasty side effects, nobody is going to pay for it.

Thanks to the government, you will not be able to sue anyone for harm you receive from the swine flu vaccine. If it destroys your health you are out of luck.

Secondly, if you have taken a flu vaccine, there are some things you can do. Take Dr. Blaylock’s suggestions seriously. The human body is an incredible healing machine if you give it the materials that it needs.

If you have any other information about the swine flu vaccine, mandatory vaccinations or flu pandemic planning please leave a comment and let us know. This is shaping up to be a very interesting winter, and hopefully we can all get through this as healthy as possible.

http://thebirdflupandemic.com/
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Coach 10-17-2009 11:23 AM

Yeah.... that's a hell of a side effects....

I think I'll just stick with the H1N1 and fight it out by myself without any vaccine.

Pink Paradise 2010 10-17-2009 03:19 PM

damn, that would suck... poor girl

alnorth 10-17-2009 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bwana (Post 6178682)
It's a roll of the dice and depends what you read doesn't it? Like I said, to each their own. I would say yes to the young, the old and people with compromised immune systems, but other than that I'd pass and go with vitaman D. That's just my opinion. I can see a valid argument for both sides.

http://www.naturalnews.com/027178_va...uralPedia.html

in the case of autism, it is not really "depends on what you read". There are no credible studies that have ever linked the two. This has always been a paranoid fantasy by a few loud and ignorant parents.

As for GBS, this is one of those hilariously rare side-effects similar to people having very bad and rare reactions to aspirin and antibiotics. Some people are just born with eggshell skulls, vulnerable to the slightest touch to the head that wouldnt bother anyone else. Sucks to be them, they were born screwed. That doesnt change the fact that you are taking a far greater risk when you drive a car 5 miles than anything you may get from a shot.

Lonewolf Ed 10-17-2009 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach (Post 6178746)
Yeah.... that's a hell of a side effects....

I think I'll just stick with the H1N1 and fight it out by myself without any vaccine.

I wonder if I can get your shot and mine and have twice the side effects? Oooh, that would be great!

Halfcan 10-17-2009 03:43 PM

last flu shot I got made me sick as a dog

alnorth 10-17-2009 03:47 PM

All that said, there are some perfectly reasonable reasons not to get a flu shot if your healthy. I'm not even talking about paranoid fears of "danger", because thats just a laughable non-issue to me.

Some people hate shots and needles to the point where they would rather get sick than get stuck. Fine, in that case they really arent getting a benefit.

Some people may look at this as a cost-benefit economic issue. The cost: about $29, and the hassle of making time to chase down a shot in some clinic, then dealing with the needle, etc. The benefit: You are roughly 50-75% less likely to get the flu, but without the shot just from the luck of the draw you can probably avoid the flu at least half the time unless you are around large groups of germ-ridden kids or sick people. When you dont get the flu in a given year, its not usually because your immune system is simply terrific, its usually because you just didnt get the virus at all that year. Its not automatic that youll get the virus every year, so some years the shot is a waste of time and money. When you do get the shot and dont get sick, you wont really know if the shot helped, you may not have even gotten the virus. On top of that, some years the CDC guesses wrong and a different flu strain comes over.

So, at best, if your a teacher who gets exposed to all the bugs every single year, getting the shot can help you not get sick when you otherwise would have every other year. For most people its only once every 3 years it saves you from 3 or 4 days of flu.

So, there's that potential of it being a waste of money, plus some people arent bothered by the flu as much. Not necessarily because they have fewer symptoms, but just they have a higher pain/sick tolerance and can "tough it out" more than some people. To them, that $29 shot is not worth as much as someone who gets laid out on the couch for 3 days.

For me the shot is basically free (work pays for it) and convenient (shot given at work), plus I hate being sick so its worth it, but it might not be for someone who is always busy, money is tight, and the flu doesnt bother them.


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