Question from O-line experts on the board:

Can Waters be turned into a Center and thrive?

Yep.

Even if you want to reach for Jackson, and the 2nd is already gone, you still could have done much, much more to improve this team, and specifically, the OL. Examples:

R3: Antoine Caldwell, Louis Vasquez, Kraig Urbik, Michael Johnson, Mike Wallace

R4: Jonathan Luigs, TJ Lang, Lawrence Sidbury, Austin Collie, Troy Kropog

R5: Johnny Knox, Jasper Brinkley, Fenuki Tupou, Macho Harris, Jamon Meridith, Duke Robinson

R6: Matt Slauson, Brandon Gibson, James Davis

R7: AQ Shipley, Julian Edelman, Zach Follett

No.

Honestly i think Water's problem might stem from motivation.

i wonder whether he really gives a shit whether Cassel gets smashed or not.

I disagree.

Waters has clearly lost a step, and isn't as physical as he was just three years ago.

His skills have simply dimininshed due to age, and by next season, or the season after, he will be a shell of his former self, much as Mike Goff is right now.

I do agree with his point about the Chiefs being cheap...

Luigs, Duke and Shipley could help us.

But really, Michael Johnson isnt a better pick than Magee IMHO for this scheme.

I fully agree that we ****ed up by not taking a linemen till Collin.

I agree, though I think Laz makes a good point.

Remember last year, when the QB would get sacked for holding the ball too long, or generally doing something stupid?

Waters would get visibly pissed. Everyone in the stadium and watching on TV knew he was pissed at the QB, or at one of his fellow OL.

Haven't seen that once this year.

He doesn't need to yell now, the head coach does so much of it yelling is probably ignored.

LMAO

....this is the barometer, IMO.

The problem is that he's every bit as guilty as the rest of the scrubs on this line for it's woes nw, so he's showing a little bit of wisdom.

Can't argue that.

Why not? Not arguing with you. Just thinking the man has some talent but might have lost a step limiting his OG effectiveness (pulling, etc.). Is it really out of the question to try him at center next year? He has already responded well to a more major position change.

Waters job is to block, not police the QB or make demands from management.....I don't care if he's pissed, unless he's going to turn ithe agression against the defense.