What? Pioli came from the land that the coach gets the final decision on personnel decisions. If Scott knew how to be a GM he would let the coach have a lot of input...it's the only way the system works. Yes, some of those guys want complete control, but Holmgren already had his personnel duties stripped away in Seattle...Shanahan has worked well with others (except Al Davis) but that is to his advantage.

If we start off 0-4 or worse, he will really be pressing. I still like Haley, a lot. At some point, once we get the talent I think he will be a very good coach.

But if he starts 0-4 and it continues to get worse, I dont think I would be able to give him anymore time. Unless a dramatic change happened towards the end of the season I would have to be calling for him to be fired. With that said, I could easily see him going off to another team at some point and being successful with the right group of guys.

Haley has upside. Herm did not. That's what keeps me going in a comparison.

I guess that is kind of how I feel about him too. We can't forget, this is Haleys 1st year ever of being a head coach/ qb coach/ offensive coordinator.

I just dont see it guys. I could if the team showed improvement somewhere...anywhere.....

They turned over half the roster and its still crap.

If he doesnt win another game, i think hes toast.

What upside? No track record as a head coach before KC and this year hasn't helped his resume. Herm at least won playoff games as a head coach...only Marty and Hank can make that claim in KC....Marty took a 4 win team to within 1/2 a game of the playoffs his first year...Herm made the the palyoffs in KC his first year. Todd may win 4 games.

The team that Herm took to the playoffs was better/more established than this crew.

They had a RB in his prime, a veteran QB, a Hall of Fame Tight End, a better offensive line, Jared Allen, more experience, etc.

I'm willing to give Haley some time. But if he doesn't finish well, you're going to see a sweep of assistants. You might see that anyways.

Haley isn't Herm. Nothing else matters. Haley could lose the next 30 games in a row, and some would still be saying "Boy that Herm fella, whooo what a joke he was. Glad we don't have to put up with him anymore."

13 Rookie Head Coaches.

Pioli just said on the radio....we are in the top three with dropped passes...along with Detroit and Cleveland. Really the GM is now saying his players and his coaches are on par with Cleveland and Detroit. Go KC!!!!

Pioli just said he will not require Todd to hire an OC next season, but they need to talk about it.

Thanks for the info...what station is he on?

Last years team would have made a prison b!tch out of this years team.

Nothing to worry about with that happening here.

Screw that I'd take Holmgren over any of them, not that any are bad. Holmgren made his QB's and built programs and coaching staffs from the ground up. None of the others did that, he took two teams that were horrible before he arrived, to the Superbowl.

Herm also had respect from other coaches. How much respect did Haley lose/earn from other coaches by cutting Chan right before the season started?

810 WHB... KK has his nose up Scott's ass and is trying his best to get Scott to blame things on Carl. At times this has been funny and you can hear steeping away from questions and not being led on KK.

Damn I really hate Keitzman. Every word out of his mouth makes me want to punch him in the face. He is so pompous. I'm glad he makes himself look like an ass often enough that it balances out the pain of listening to him.