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Would you like to contribute to the discussion in a substantive way? Offer a counter-argument and support it with evidence?

lol, its like saying, ok, so NBC fired Ben Silverman and the next guy is going to turn it around fast. ya, thats not happening. Though NBC does hold my favorite TV show. lol

he used to, he gave that up a long time ago. He would get so upset he would delete his account and leave for a bit. lol

Now he just throws in 1 worders. lol There are some threads i want to post in, but then i think about what i am going to say and go, its not worth it. People are going to be bitchy because thats who they are. You will not change it, so why even argue with it.

Just like a political or religious debate. No one wins, sometimes its good to read, but still no one wins.

substantive discussion? like golf smack?

what a load of crap...realistic people didn't expect much this season..realistic people know that they gotta hit big this draft and next season to have a hope of retaining the already dwindling fanbase.

counter argument?...what you want the Chiefs to do and what the Chiefs will do will ALWAYS be two different things. the fact that you guys come here almost every single day repeating the same negative crap doesn't prove shit, other than you appear to not handle adversity very well.

I wonder if this the only area where you spend so much energy on something you absolutley have no control over.

What's a load of crap? Asking someone to contribute in a substantive manner? Ok.

Golf smack? I assume you're alluding to Dane, but I'd say he's offered a bit more in this very thread.

Yes, a counter-argument. It makes no difference whether or not the talk here ends up being rather meaningless in the big scheme of things. It's a venue to talk sports and think critically. Stress on the latter.

The negativity seems to be the big issue here. Sorry, but this has been, arguably, the single worst organization in the NFL for several years now. The "big get" from last year has been woeful. So there's not too much to smile about.

Regarding things I have no-limited control over: I'm pretty interested in politics, history, and the weather.

uhuh...the same arguments go round and round...most of the time anyone tries to find a positive, it gets assaulted... look no further than braincase's thread.

...critical thinking doesn't involve cutting down the HC, the GM and owner on a personal level.

if you don't think they are worth a shit and continue to hang around, that's on you.

I'll always be a Chiefs fan, just as I'll always be a Royals fan.

The organizations (and the city they represent) are far bigger than any collection of players, coaches, or GMs.

And the vast majority of the criticisms of Pioli and Haley are not personal.

Everything that needs to be said has been said thousands of times over. WE all know we suck. People want this guy gone, and if you dont agree, your blind, or if your Dane, you just curse at everyone under the sun and tell them they are idiots.

Chiefs suck, we have a losing culture around here for a few years now. Previous regime killed this franchise. He built it back up and killed it before he left. Now a first year coach and a first year GM are trying to rebuild Rome in less then a year. Not happening.

Even if they arent successful as a duo, whoever it was that was going to be brought in here was going to struggle and struggle bad. Its not like they were going to adapt their scheme to the players. There was no reason for that this year. We ****ing have little to no talent in alot of area's. I am ok with them wanting and forcing their way here right now. Let me see what they can do when they can get most of their guys that have some talent in the right spots.

It looks like complete ass right now. No one is saying its not, but everyone pretty much expected a shitty team from the beginning of the year. We have improved in some area's. Offensive line has improved running game has improved. Their hands may have been forced a little bit, but so what. I hope there is a few more things they are forced into and work out better for the team.

If you study the league, you'll find that many of the most historically successful franchises are the ones with continuity at HC and front office leadership. Being hired late isn't an excuse ... it's a fact. Besides, that isn't the point. The point is that this organization has drafted very poorly for the last 20 years ... since DT, actually.

The sad fact is that it will take time to build this team into a winner. Haley hasn't had the time and, as a rookie, it will be exponentially more difficult for him. I say we dial down the hate and give the guy some time. He's pretty well respected in the league and there's a reason for it. His goal has been publicly and repeatedly stated; he wants to build a team that competes for the playoffs and the Super Bowl year in and year out. Frankly, that should be pretty exciting for fans. Of course, to get there will entail pain and lots of it, but I'd much rather have a guy like Haley than any other coach we've had since Marty. We know what he wants to do ... let's sit back and see if he can actually do it.

We need a solid playmaker or two on both sides of the ball, either develop Cassel or find somebody else, and fill in with role players who can execute consistently. That's really about it and shouldn't be terribly difficult to accomplish ... but it can't be done in one season.

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With all due respect, Mr. FAX, NO ONE was expecting this to be turned around in one season.

NO ONE.

But progress was expected, and we're not seeing it - even after Pioli/Haley brought in 45+ new players, over half of whom are starters.

I don't care if Haley had been hired in May, it's nearly impossible in the NFL to bring in this many players and have only one of them make any impact, or even be an upgrade over the player they replaced. (Chambers)

It took LJ mouthing off to have anything to look forward to in 2010.

That isn't rebuilding.

those statements are pretty ironic, considering you have an avatar dedicated to putting him in a negative light.

I'm sure you're a big fan of your wife..you cut her down everyday when she doesn't meet your expectations?

btw, LJ didn't get cut because of twitter. LJ got cut because he was a lockerroom cancer who was given numerous chances and inevitably exposed his true colors.

You keep making an assumption that a mulligan is needed. That's been the faulty premise of a lot of the complainers from almost the beginning.

Progress has been obvious to anyone who's bothered to look.

I guess we'll just have to disagree on this, Mr. OnTheWarpath58, because I see it very differently.

Frankly, it was almost miraculous to get three wins out of this team, in my opinion. We barely won that many in the last two years combined. Plus, we fielded an entirely new defensive scheme this year and featured a quarterback who is about as accurate as a blind, one-legged monkey with Tourette's and a hangover.

As for Charles, it's no different than hundreds of other players throughout the league ... sometimes, when a guy gets his chance, he makes the most of it. I see his development as a positive ... not a negative.

People have the right to like or dislike Haley and I don't presume to try and change people's minds about him. But, as his self-appointed apologist and a homer of the first order, I do feel it's necessary to chime in with an alternate point of view on occasion.

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