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Hammock Parties 01-05-2010 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by old_geezer (Post 6410875)
Not to be argumentive, but isn't it possible that Water's poor play early in the year was a result of his negitive attitude after his confrontation with Haley/Pioli ? If so, then he managed to straighten himself out and he might be servicable for 1-2 more years while we work on other areas that need immediate help.

I don't think so. He's not that kind of guy.

He's on the decline...I'd like to head the decline of an OL off at the pass for once.

Delano 01-05-2010 07:46 AM

I get a raging boner when I think of Iupati pulling out and dropping some jealous bitches as Jesus 'mother-****ing' Charles explodes into the open field.
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BossChief 01-05-2010 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Delano (Post 6410880)
I get a raging boner when I think of Iupati pulling out and dropping some jealous bitches as Jesus 'mother-****ing' Charles explodes into the open field.
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I just came.

Anyone that says Iutapi wont be a impact player hasnt seen him play once.

Blick 01-05-2010 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6410854)
He was terrible early in the year and he's going to be 33 next season. His physical skills are eroding fast. He'll probably decline even more.

Well like I said, we don't have anybody to replace him, and a rookie wouldn't be better.

He could be better if the team is better.

BossChief 01-05-2010 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6410877)
I don't think so. He's not that kind of guy.

He's on the decline...I'd like to head the decline of an OL off at the pass for once.

It is no mistake that Waters play got better on the same timeline as Albert was coming out of his adjustment period.

I dont buy that age is taking hold quite yet.

I may be wrong.

time will tell

HonestChieffan 01-05-2010 08:20 AM

Waters is not a factor. He had his run and after his performance this year it is clearly over. They need to give him a game ball and a golden microphone with a ticket out of KC.

ChiTown 01-05-2010 08:24 AM

Teicher's Article for Tomorrow: Brown Says Chiefs Don't Need Safety Upgrade

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jidar 01-05-2010 08:34 AM

This O Line is a lot better than the people on this board give it credit for. I've been seeing their improvement week to week and they were pretty respectable the last few weeks.

Of course it takes awhile for word of something like that to get out so the media isn't really onto it yet... I guess this article is a start. When we get a few more of these types of articles from media members then all the parrots on this board can get their opinions caught up to reality.

KCUnited 01-05-2010 08:43 AM

A Center is a must in the draft, not moving a guy to Center, but a bona fide Center that mans this line for years to come. A Guard is needed as well, but maybe the most important thing for this line is a legitimate competition for RT, RG, and LG in camp amongst the guys we already have.

I don't follow college and the draft nearly as much as others. Whats the report on Brandon Carter, maybe some character issues, the spread? Guy seems big and nasty enough to have a career in the league.

Slainte 01-05-2010 08:48 AM

http://www.tcmuk.tv/images/blog/Blaz...byn_Hilton.jpg



"We've got to protect our phony baloney jobs, gentlemen."
--Brian Waters, Jan 4, 2010

jspchief 01-05-2010 09:00 AM

I'm not sure I'm ready to buy that the pass protection is better.

The biggest thing that changed there is we found an effective running game that kept teams from just teeing off on Cassel.

I still believe we need to improve the interior of the line. You don't just suddenly stop getting your ass pushed 5 yards back into the pocket. That said, I'm not sure it's something that commands a high draft pick. Get a utility lineman in round 3 or later, a guy that can play guard or center then let him win a spot on the line.

Bwana 01-05-2010 09:05 AM

Waters, Ray Farmer wants to see you and bring your playbook!

http://www.kcchiefs.com/media/staff/ray_farmer.jpg

wild1 01-05-2010 09:07 AM

It is crazy that Cryin' Waters thinks Charles has something to do with him. O'C and Smith improved the right side, but 90% of it is that Charles has a different running style, and the guy before him was run down and used up. He needs to be careful about patting himself on the back so hard.

HemiEd 01-05-2010 09:14 AM

Somewhere in the middle is reality.

Of course Waters is going to say they don't need upgraded, but to ignore the facts that he mentions is stupid, they are reality.

The team did change offenses at the worst possible time.

They did re-train Albert on proper technique and it took a while.

Goff and Ndukwe were obvious failures. Colin Brown and Barry Richardson should start being a factor next year.

Even the great OL of 2003 and 2004 took a little time to develop some cohesiveness.

I am very encouraged by the state of the OL, and two months ago it looked pathetic.


Kudos to Bill Muir and Joe D’Alessandris, they have things clearly going the right direction IMO.

Spend the picks on playmakers please, Jamaal Charles is clear evidence of the difference they can make.

Mr. Laz 01-05-2010 09:44 AM

of course waters doesn't want any changes on the Oline because he MIGHT be one of the changes.

i would say virtually every position along the Oline improved over the year except for Center and left guard. Both waters and niswanger were a weakness this year ... even at the end.

shit ... we need just about every position on the Oline upgraded.

start with center then ...

left guard
right tackle
right guard
left tackle.

maybe if we sign Iupati we can put him at left guard and move Waters to center where he can use his experience to help make line calls and direct the Oline.

Albert
Iupati
waters
wade
O'callaghan

if Albert continues to improve the left side of the Oline would be solid and the right side passable.


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