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Brock 02-12-2010 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 6526956)
The jury is still out on Sanchez. He had 1 good game in the playoffs and everyone forgets about the rest of the shit season and playoff games he had.

He's a rookie who played better the bigger the games got. The jury might be out, but it looks to me like the verdict is going to be he's probably pretty good.

BigCatDaddy 02-12-2010 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6526971)
He's a rookie who played better the bigger the games got. The jury might be out, but it looks to me like the verdict is going to be he's probably pretty good.

I need to see better then a QB rating of 63 for a year before I can go that far, but he did play well against the Colts, and didn't screw up the game against the Bengals. I'll give you that.

Chiefnj2 02-12-2010 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 6526992)
I need to see better then a QB rating of 63 for a year before I can go that far, but he did play well against the Colts, and didn't screw up the game against the Bengals. I'll give you that.

If he was on KC Sanchez would have a rating of around 50. No great defense, no running game for 3/4 of the season and league leading dropped passes. This team would have gotten him killed - physically and mentally.

BigCatDaddy 02-12-2010 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6527000)
If he was on KC Sanchez would have a rating of around 50. No great defense, no running game for 3/4 of the season and league leading dropped passes. This team would have gotten him killed - physically and mentally.

Right, he had one of the best defenses and running games in the NFL, so in theory this season should have been easier for him then your typical rookie QB like Stafford.

Chiefnj2 02-12-2010 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 6527009)
Right, he had one of the best defenses and running games in the NFL, so in theory this season should have been easier for him then your typical rookie QB like Stafford.

I'm not saying it should have been easy. He played well at the end when it counted. I just think KC could have easily ruined him.

From a coaching and GM approach, what Haley and Pioli did the team was inexcusable. Scrap the system a week before the season starts. Trade away the only reliable pass catcher. Rotating receivers. No QB would have succeeded.

T-post Tom 02-12-2010 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 6526685)
..best receiving TE, the best RT in the NFL,...
LMAO


Really?

And as for silly excuses: scoreboard.

Kyle DeLexus 02-12-2010 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 6526992)
I need to see better then a QB rating of 63 for a year before I can go that far, but he did play well against the Colts, and didn't screw up the game against the Bengals. I'll give you that.

In all honesty, he should have been sitting this year in the first place. If you go back and look at all the guys wanting to pick Sanchez, most of them wanted to draft him and sit him for a year behind a vet.

He wasn't ready to be a starter like most rookie QB's aren't, but he did show his potential to be very good.

BigCatDaddy 02-12-2010 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Kyle DeLexus (Post 6527107)
In all honesty, he should have been sitting this year in the first place. If you go back and look at all the guys wanting to pick Sanchez, most of them wanted to draft him and sit him for a year behind a vet.

He wasn't ready to be a starter like most rookie QB's aren't, but he did show his potential to be very good.

He had moments like all QB's do where they look good and I'm not saying he won't be good. But you can't look at what he did this year and say "Yeah, we F'd up for not taking this kid". Maybe in a few years you can say that, but not based of his total body of work for the 2009 season.

Quesadilla Joe 02-12-2010 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 6526921)
well, um, yeah....Sanchez would have been the answer..but we passed...

I don't see Sanchez being a Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, or a 2007 Tom Brady or anything when he fully develops. Their will be QB's of Sanchez's ceiling in every single draft. I don't think you missed out on a once in a decade QB or anything.

Quesadilla Joe 02-12-2010 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by T-post Tom (Post 6527080)
Really?

And as for silly excuses: scoreboard.

I meant the Broncos' best receiving TE. Scheffler is no Gates, Tony G, or Dallas Clark. And a lot of people will tell you that Ryan Harris is the best RT in the NFL. Losing him midway through the season was a HUGE loss.

Kyle DeLexus 02-12-2010 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 6527134)
I meant the Broncos' best receiving TE. Scheffler is no Gates, Tony G, or Dallas Clark. And a lot of people will tell you that Ryan Harris is the best RT in the NFL. Losing him midway through the season was a HUGE loss.

Yeah I suppose if you talk to a lot of Donk fans.

BigCatDaddy 02-12-2010 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 6527127)
I don't see Sanchez being a Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, or a 2007 Tom Brady or anything when he fully develops. Their will be QB's of Sanchez's ceiling in every single draft. I don't think you missed out on a once in a decade QB or anything.

I'm going to have to rethink my position because I agree with Knowshit again. I'm seeing Sanchez as probably someone that will be in the mid 80's passer rating for his prime years, about 3000 yards throwing, 60% comp, 25-15 TD/INT ratio, maybe have a great year and get to a probowl or two. I'm bascially seeing Matt Hasselbeck.

Kyle DeLexus 02-12-2010 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 6527122)
He had moments like all QB's do where they look good and I'm not saying he won't be good. But you can't look at what he did this year and say "Yeah, we F'd up for not taking this kid". Maybe in a few years you can say that, but not based of his total body of work for the 2009 season.

Don't get me wrong, I agree you can't base that off of his season. Yet you can base it off of his potential that he's had all along, his ceiling is WAY higher than Cassel's yet we went with Cassel because he could manage a top 5 offense.

Cue knowshit to quote some out of work scout's twitter page to argue for him.

BigCatDaddy 02-12-2010 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Kyle DeLexus (Post 6527173)
Don't get me wrong, I agree you can't base that off of his season. Yet you can base it off of his potential that he's had all along, his ceiling is WAY higher than Cassel's yet we went with Cassel because he could manage a top 5 offense.

Cue knowshit to quote some out of work scout's twitter page to argue for him.

I don't think you can make that assumption yet. Sanchez has much more to work with then Cassel. Surround Cassell with better talent then we can determine what his ceiling is. We forget how bad Trent was until they got some talent around him.

Kyle DeLexus 02-12-2010 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 6527159)
I'm going to have to rethink my position because I agree with Knowshit again. I'm seeing Sanchez as probably someone that will be in the mid 80's passer rating for his prime years, about 3000 yards throwing, 60% comp, 25-15 TD/INT ratio, maybe have a great year and get to a probowl or two. I'm bascially seeing Matt Hasselbeck.

Really I believe he'll be a good QB, with stats that are a little better than you went with, he probably won't have elite Manning/Brady numbers. I do think we screwed up by not taking him because I believe he will be clutch. He seems to play his best in big games. Once he develops, I think he'll look a lot like Manning/Brady in the 4th quarter (minus this past SB). I know it's just my opinion right now, but I truly see him as a pressure situation QB.


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