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-King- 02-28-2010 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sully (Post 6564931)
I'm iffy on Peppers.

Here is my thinking. Aging receiver, injury issues, wants a huge contract, put up the numbers he did with another possible HOF WR on the other side taking attention away from him. It seems ripe for an Alvin Harper situation.

At least with Peppers, we don't have to give up a draft pick, losing a potential contributing player 5 yrs down the road when the player has retired or become little more than a role guy.

You're taking too much credit away from boldin. Comparing him to alvin harper? Really? The guy had one of the best rookie seasons ever before fitz came into the league. He dominated. So its not fitz helping him out. This is no alvin harper situation.
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Sully 02-28-2010 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing (Post 6565116)
You're taking too much credit away from boldin. Comparing him to alvin harper? Really? The guy had one of the best rookie seasons ever before fitz came into the league. He dominated. So its not fitz helping him out. This is no alvin harper situation.
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I'm not comparing them player to player, I'm comparing the situations.

Consistent1 02-28-2010 12:37 PM

In my opinion when the situations are compared, Peppers will pull his on/off disappearing act frequently when he gets a new contract, especially on a weak team. Boldin will look to show he is one of the league's best WR's. A person can easily bitch about the injuries, but he must stay in pretty damn fine shape because he comes back from stuff very quickly for the most part. He is a 1300-1500 yard guy for several more years on most teams. Talk of being strictly a #2 is bullshit. You can't use the "he will be too old when we can contend' logic unless the team just never plans on winning.

TRR 02-28-2010 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Consistent1 (Post 6565142)
In my opinion when the situations are compared, Peppers will pull his on/off disappearing act frequently when he gets a new contract, especially on a weak team. Boldin will look to show he is one of the league's best WR's. A person can easily bitch about the injuries, but he must stay in pretty damn fine shape because he comes back from stuff very quickly for the most part. He is a 1300-1500 yard guy for several more years on most teams. Talk of being strictly a #2 is bullshit. You can't use the "he will be too old when we can contend' logic unless the team just never plans on winning.

Exactly.

Some fans think that EVERY player on the roster needs to be 25 years old or younger to build for the future. The future is now. KC has to turn this thing around, and a player like Boldin can definitely help in that effort, as well as be had for a good value IMO.

Boldin is a proven 1,000 yard WR that has great hands. I for one don't think KC will be able to get the same value in the 2010 draft, especially over the next 5 seasons...
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RustShack 02-28-2010 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6563861)
Trade for him and let Chambers go.

Or keep Chambers since most teams carry more than two receivers...

DaneMcCloud 02-28-2010 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Consistent1 (Post 6565142)
In my opinion when the situations are compared, Peppers will pull his on/off disappearing act frequently when he gets a new contract, especially on a weak team. Boldin will look to show he is one of the league's best WR's. A person can easily bitch about the injuries, but he must stay in pretty damn fine shape because he comes back from stuff very quickly for the most part. He is a 1300-1500 yard guy for several more years on most teams. Talk of being strictly a #2 is bullshit. You can't use the "he will be too old when we can contend' logic unless the team just never plans on winning.

Huh? 1,300-1,500 yard guy for most teams?

He's had TWO seasons where he amassed 1,300 yards: 2003 and 2005.

He is NOT a 1,300 yard guy. In KC, he'd be lucky to 1,000 yards behind this line, with this QB and with Dwayne Bowe on the other side.

Furthermore, he IS a number two receiver. PERIOD.

If he's your number one, your team is ****ED. Why? Because you're number one receiver is a speed guy that can separate downfield for big plays.

Boldin's an over the middle, TG, tight end type player that will make big plays for you occasionally, but he's a possession receiver.

I'd maybe give up one of the Chiefs 5th round picks for the guy but anything else is way too high given his age, recent injuries and the Chiefs massive needs up and down the roster.

Mr. Flopnuts 02-28-2010 01:51 PM

So for the people who just advocate trading for him, what round of pick would you be willing to part with?

Do you care if we just take him on with 1 year left on his deal?

If you feel the need to sign him to a new contract, how much would you pay him and how long would you try and lock him up?

SAUTO 02-28-2010 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6565273)
Huh? 1,300-1,500 yard guy for most teams?

He's had TWO seasons where he amassed 1,300 yards: 2003 and 2005.

He is NOT a 1,300 yard guy. In KC, he'd be lucky to 1,000 yards behind this line, with this QB and with Dwayne Bowe on the other side.

Furthermore, he IS a number two receiver. PERIOD.

If he's your number one, your team is ****ED. Why? Because you're number one receiver is a speed guy that can separate downfield for big plays.

Boldin's an over the middle, TG, tight end type player that will make big plays for you occasionally, but he's a possession receiver.

I'd maybe give up one of the Chiefs 5th round picks for the guy but anything else is way too high given his age, recent injuries and the Chiefs massive needs up and down the roster.

prior to last year i would have disagreed, now i totally agree with you.
hes often injured
he seemed to not give his all last year
he doesnt stretch the field
oh did i mention that hes always injured?
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RustShack 02-28-2010 01:55 PM

If Cassel is our QB having a deep threat is a waste of space... Moss had one of his worst years in the league when Cassel was the QB.

Mr. Flopnuts 02-28-2010 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6565280)
prior to last year i would have disagreed, now i totally agree with you.
hes often injured
he seemed to not give his all last year
he doesnt stretch the field
oh did i mention that hes always injured?
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:clap: Me too. I wanted him until this year. Now I don't.

How much do you pay a guy that was dogged by his hammy ALL of last year? And if you lock him up to a 4 year deal for the right price and he blows up this year, you get another 3 years of him bitching about his contract and becoming a cancer in the locker room.

I don't want him at all anymore. Let's re sign Chambers and draft a guy in the 2nd round. I think if we do that, we're money.

SAUTO 02-28-2010 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 6565285)
If Cassel is our QB having a deep threat is a waste of space... Moss had one of his worst years in the league when Cassel was the QB.

yeah lets just forget oakland
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SAUTO 02-28-2010 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 6565286)
:clap: Me too. I wanted him until this year. Now I don't.

How much do you pay a guy that was dogged by his hammy ALL of last year? And if you lock him up to a 4 year deal for the right price and he blows up this year, you get another 3 years of him bitching about his contract and becoming a cancer in the locker room.

I don't want him at all anymore. Let's re sign Chambers and draft a guy in the 2nd round. I think if we do that, we're money.

agreed
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RustShack 02-28-2010 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6565289)
yeah lets just forget oakland
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Thats why I said one of his worst years, the one other worse year was in Oakland when Matt Tuiasosopo was his QB... but hey I understand that you can't comprehend simple stuff like that.

RustShack 02-28-2010 02:04 PM

Oh forgive me, Walter was his QB and his worst season was with the last season with the Vikings when he only started 13 games.

SAUTO 02-28-2010 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 6565307)
Oh forgive me, Walter was his QB and his worst season was with the last season with the Vikings when he only started 13 games.

funny how you want to throw out that someone cant comprehend something and then be wrong on every point you made


shut up now PLEASE


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