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Chiefs=Champions

03-06-2010 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by UKMike (Post 6581707)

I understand that and I realise it's very difficult to say how good a pick could be without knowing who else was available at the time.

I would be somewhat more comfortable with our QB situation if we had Cassel, Croyle, Tebow on the depth chart. That's one guy who's got another year to show he can be an NFL QB, and two guys who are both huge long shots but who both undoubtedly have something about them that makes you think they have a chance.

If taking Tebow meant passing on a definite team improving 1st year starter, I probably don't think it's worth it however.

Tebows a good guy and perhaps the greatest college player of all time, but i think your overestimating his nfl ability..

Chiefs=Champions

03-06-2010 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 6581709)

I'm confused too. Because the corn i shit out last night ended up inside your skull.

Did the Jets draft a LT to replace the other first round LT they had already drafted two years prior? NO.

No. They didn't already have a first round pick at LT. So what they did is actually nothing like what you are advocating. They have zero in common.

And in fact what New York did after drafting their first round LT is then, 3 years later, trade up to #5 to pick a QBOTF.

We now have our second chance to do EXACTLY WHAT THE JETS DID: Draft a QB at #5 after having acquired a LT in a previous draft. And you're crying like a bitch about us wanting to do that.

You don't have the first god damn clue about what teams have done, or should do.

And how's that dumb secondary pick they made doing? What's his name....Revis?

Yeah, they totally blew an opportunity to draft OL there, for a silly playmaker in the secondary. What were they thinking, Sack of Testes?

Holy shit they passed on Joe Staley and Ben Grubbs for a ****ing CB.

This post is full of win. Well done.

Sully

03-06-2010 08:12 AM

So it's official.

Every ****ing thread for the next month is going to be exactly the ****ing same.

Jesus.

UKMike

03-06-2010 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefs=Good (Post 6581720)

Tebows a good guy and perhaps the greatest college player of all time, but i think your overestimating his nfl ability..

Ok Maybe, I'm not claiming to be any type of expert, but I think we need to take a QB with potential at some point. What about LeFevour, how long can we expect him to be available for?

Chiefs=Champions

03-06-2010 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by UKMike (Post 6581769)

Ok Maybe, I'm not claiming to be any type of expert, but I think we need to take a QB with potential at some point. What about LeFevour, how long can we expect him to be available for?

Na i see wat ur saying and its a justified argument. though not for Tebow. I think if we have the chance we should take Clausen. If your looking to take a qb you do it right and select the one with the best chance at becoming a franchise qb. I didnt watch LeFevour but have heard good things. He hasnt done himself any favours by not throwing at the combine though.

Chiefs=Champions

03-06-2010 08:45 AM

Oh and i think he should be avaliable at the top of the 3rd, depends on his pro day i guess though...

Stewie

03-06-2010 08:55 AM

I'd be happy with both. I'm not sold on Cassel yet and we need speed on the outside. The one caveat is that if we drafted Tate our QB needs to know how to consistently throw a deep pass. GD it was frustrating watching Cassel throw a 40 yard pass w/o putting some air under it.

OnTheWarpath15

03-06-2010 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 6581279)

J-E-T-S until Pioli's gone?

I remember reading Posnanski's column about how difficult it is for him to root for the Royals. He said the most horrifying realization came when he finally figured out that the Royals simply do not have the same philosophy as him regarding...well anything really.

If we draft a damn tackle, I'll have reached that point with this franchise. I will simply never be happy with anything they do. I'll do what I can, but right now everytime I see us do something it annoys the piss out of me and everytime I see the Jets make a move I applaud it and wish we'd have done the same.

The Jets weren't given any advantages over KC; there's no reason we couldn't be where they are.

I remember getting laughed at this time last year when I said that Detroit would win a playoff game before we do.

They play in a much tougher division, and after I saw what they did in the draft last year, and what they did immediately in FA this year, I still think they will.

If they had taken Oher instead of Pettigrew at 20 last year?

No brainer.

As it stands right now, 12 months after a regime change for both teams, the Lions are a MUCH better team than the Chiefs.

Fish	03-06-2010 09:41 AM

I would be ecstatic if we were to land both Clausen and Tate. I'm nuts about Clausen. More so than any QB in the last 3-4 years. But I fully expect the Chiefs to puss out and pass on him simply due to their ego over the Cassel mistake. I'd like to say it wouldn't hurt so bad passing on Clausen, because we'll likely have a shot at Berry there too. But I'm starting to suspect that these clowns are going to do the lowball pussy move, and draft a lineman. Then we'll get to watch Cassel totally flounder all year behind a decent OLine, and set the franchise back some more. They're going to hang on to Cassel too long, and it's going to get ugly and piss everyone off.

Chiefs=Champions

03-06-2010 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 6581857)

Sadly this....

Saccopoo

03-06-2010 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6581171)

A WR can only be a playmaker if he has a QB that can get the ball to him.

Conversely, a quarterback can only be a playmaker if he has time to get the ball to them.

Saccopoo

03-06-2010 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by UKMike (Post 6581701)

Am I the only one that wouldn't be too bothered with Tebow in the 3rd or later? I think he's worth a flyer, just don't waste a really valuable pick on him.

Tebow or Jamarcus Russell?

Tebow or Vince Young?

Tebow or Alex Smith?

Would you have taken a "flyer" on those guys in those drafts? And how do they compare to Tebow?

OnTheWarpath15

03-06-2010 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 6582060)

Conversely, a quarterback can only be a playmaker if he has time to get the ball to them.

And when the QB was sacked only 8 times in a 6 game stretch last year, and had the benefit of the running game opening things up, he threw 10 INT's to 4 TD's, had a 55% completion rate and a 55.8 QB rating.

Crush

03-06-2010 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 6582060)

Conversely, a quarterback can only be a playmaker if he has time to get the ball to them.

Cassel can't make a consistent throw, even with fifteen seconds.

milkman

03-06-2010 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 6582060)

Conversely, a quarterback can only be a playmaker if he has time to get the ball to them.

Further, however, a bad QB can make a line, good or bad, look worse than it is.

And even further, it still wouldn't matter if Cassel were playing behind the Chiefs O-Line form the Dick years, because he can't make consistent accurate throws beyond 15 yards.

And just for shits and giggles,

Hey Mods, can we change the name here to Okung's sac until the draft?

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