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SAUTO 03-06-2010 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6582418)
So you're admitting Cassel might have been a mistake. So even if we do build through the draft we're back to square 1 without a QB. Which means Pioli wasted 2 years with Cassel.

im not admitting anything, i said in another thread that cassels play will rise a million percent this year IMO. that will make the out in the contract a moot point. BUT there is an out no matter what somee would like to believe
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DaneMcCloud 03-06-2010 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 6582434)
The point I'm making is that many of the players we "missed out on" are at positions where we can find better, cheaper options in April.

It's not time to panic.

Panic? No.

But I think that expecting Scott Pioli, a man who has never put a premium on drafting QB's, receivers, safeties or cornerbacks, to draft a playmaker at #5 or even #37, is expecting too much.

DaneMcCloud 03-06-2010 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6582526)
im not admitting anything, i said in another thread that cassels play will rise a million percent this year IMO. that will make the out in the contract a moot point. BUT there is an out no matter what somee would like to believe
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A million percent?

I'd take 10%.

But I don't think it'll happen because he's 27 years old and he should already BE that much better.

He is who he is.

SAUTO 03-06-2010 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6582542)
A million percent?

I'd take 10%.

But I don't think it'll happen because he's 27 years old and he should already BE that much better.

He is who he is.

shit dane to hear what some here say about the guy...


ok maybe a million is an overexaggeration but this IS cp...
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DaneMcCloud 03-06-2010 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6582564)
shit dane to hear what some here say about the guy...


ok maybe a million is an overexaggeration but this IS cp...
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Well Jason, the fact is right now that he's not a great QB.

He's not even a good QB.

He's hovering somewhere around average to below average. His accuracy is poor, his decision making suspect, he's not "strong armed" and he hold on to the ball way too long. His play decreased while the running game ascended this past year and as his sacks went down, so did his overall play.

He displayed nothing that said "Super Bowl QB".

To this point, he's been just a "guy" and I don't know why anyone expects that to change overnight.

aturnis 03-06-2010 02:50 PM

If can can get a little more protection to make him a bit more comfortable, another decent target or two, he should improve quite a bit. If he doesn't, then he's GOT to go.

Hell, the effect some line help would have on the running game should take a lot of pressure off of Cassel.

aturnis 03-06-2010 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6582682)
Well Jason, the fact is right now that he's not a great QB.

He's not even a good QB.

He's hovering somewhere around average to below average. His accuracy is poor, his decision making suspect, he's not "strong armed" and he hold on to the ball way too long. His play decreased while the running game ascended this past year and as his sacks went down, so did his overall play.

He displayed nothing that said "Super Bowl QB".

To this point, he's been just a "guy" and I don't know why anyone expects that to change overnight.

rep that.

JD10367 03-06-2010 03:00 PM

Aw, geez, not this shit again.

First year. New team. Rookie head coach. Rookie GM. Shit talent. Blah blah f**king blah, people. NO ONE can turn a bad team around in one season. Get over it.

Is this dead horse gonna be beaten for six months until September?

Most rational Chiefs fans figured to give the new regime a one-season mulligan. They got it (and even doubled the win total).

OF COURSE if Cassel doesn't produce, he's gone. But that was the plan all along.

DaneMcCloud 03-06-2010 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 6582847)
Aw, geez, not this shit again.

First year. New team. Rookie head coach. Rookie GM. Shit talent. Blah blah f**king blah, people. NO ONE can turn a bad team around in one season. Get over it.

Is this dead horse gonna be beaten for six months until September?

Most rational Chiefs fans figured to give the new regime a one-season mulligan. They got it (and even doubled the win total).

OF COURSE if Cassel doesn't produce, he's gone. But that was the plan all along.

How does your post explain Cassel's weak arm, his inaccuracy or his poor decision making?

Please explain.

MahiMike 03-06-2010 03:06 PM

Any team breaking the bank right now is stoopid. If there's a lockout in 2011 what will these guys be doing to spend all that money?

DaneMcCloud 03-06-2010 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 6582872)
Any team breaking the bank right now is stoopid. If there's a lockout in 2011 what will these guys be doing to spend all that money?

What the **** are you babbling about?

RedThat 03-06-2010 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 6582441)
I don't know that they'd have to be GREAT drafts.
A few efficient drafts would work.

I think it's going to take a couple of drafts for sure but only if they can manage to score, if not, then I think were in for a long haul. Realistically, they need to address the NT, OLB ILB and S positions. Then I think they could use help at WR, a couple of OL, a KR/PR for special teams. Lets just say in total that 8 or 9 picks right there. With that being said, suppose they have a total of 14 picks in the draft in the next two years, that means they would have to score on at least half of those picks. They better do their homework because it seems like that is the Chiefs only validation and hope since they're neglecting FA.

Then I also think they need other stuff to go their way. Other players have to improve and live up to expectations. I think Cassel has to get better, Bowe needs to come back strong, Dorsey has to improve, same can be said for guys like Jackson, Hali, Carr, Albert, etc. Im pleased with the new additions to the coaching staff, and hopefully they will play an integral role in developing these players along the way so they can grow in the process. But yeah the Chiefs definately have their work cut out for them.

BossChief 03-06-2010 03:32 PM

I can say this, if we KNOW there WILL be a lockout in 2011, I dont want them to sign any player over the age of 26 (unless they are a veteran we are signing to a 1 year deal)

Players that are 29 or 30 right now will be 32 or 33 after the lockout, and thats if it only lasts one year.

Id just keep drafting and trying to add better scouts to the system as time goes by.

I still have hope that Phil Emery will make a difference in the quality of our draft choices.

BossChief 03-06-2010 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6582268)
Clark Hunt isn't cheap according to BossChief.

keep towin the company line...

RedThat 03-06-2010 03:40 PM

Im not trying to defend Clark or the Chiefs here, being cheap is not a bad thing if you know how to spend your money.

This is where I think they've had their share of issues, i.e., Cassel or LJ is not spending your money wisely imo.


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