The maze analogy is probably not a very good one because it doesn't allow all possibilities and requires pretty much all hand to hand combat.

Let them have it out in a small town or something.

Well he was a hero in 2 and 3. I guess if you count his cameo in Salvation it evens out. I think the argument that he's a machine is stronger, but as I said, like it or not, he's in the running so I'm voting for the best candidate.

There are not words for how disappointed I will be in CP if Mills makes it to the Elite 8. (or whatever GoChiefs calls it.)

It was never a hero. NEVER. Just a killing machine. Hell it even stood on one leg when told to do so. Christ!!!!

LMAO I love that this is being established AFTER half of the field has been eliminated.

LMAO touche`

It was established in the second poll, after the arena setting in the first poll was deemed too favorable to ranged experts.

Sorry, the T2 T-800 is a goddamn hero. He saves Sarah Connor and John Connor despite getting his ass kicked five minutes earlier.

And he goes out like a hero!

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Good point. Still, he imitates a hero, but he is really a slave to programming. I suppose we could get really philisophical about it and say things like, "aren't we all?"

I guess the deciding factor is that I do still get a little misty when he lowers himself into that vat. Hero it is.

Exactly.

And blowing himself up in Terminator 3 was incredibly heroic. That's how bad mother****ers go out.

Not that it will change my opinion but was it established which Terminator was being voted for at the beginning of any poll? There are four movies after all and each is a different terminator.

My argument is that a terminator is a terminator no matter how you slice it. The only thing that was different was their programming. Why did the terminator from T2 not kill people? Because he was told not to. Call John Connor the hero of that movie. He killed the terminator in the end because the terminator couldn't even do that himself.

It's obviously the T-800 from T2.

One aspect of a hero is the inspiration it gives to others. T2 terminator, programmed or not, was single-minded and selfless. Sarah even commented that it was the closest thing to a father John ever had. The actions of that machine (along with the training of his mother) were huge inspirations to a John Conner that until then had shunned his destiny. Since Conner went on to be the savior of the human race I think that speaks highly of the T-800's heroic qualities.

Nicely done. :clap:

The only thing I would disagree with you on is the "single-minded and selfless" part. It can be neither because it can't think for itself.

Still, that was a very well thought out rebuttal.

It actually can think for itself, that's why when they go out in the field, Skynet flips the switch to read only.

That is not thinking for itself. That is blindly following orders. Only in this case it has no choice in the matter. Thinking for ones self requires choice.