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dirk digler 10-29-2010 07:16 PM

I may agree with Whitlock on this. If Jim Tressel can recognize this then there is no reason Brian Kelly couldn't or didn't.
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“I don’t know if we’ll be inside or out,” Tressel told Ohio reporters 24 hours before the Notre Dame tragedy. “It looks a little nasty. I worry about our cameramen, their well-being up there 50 feet in the air.”

Coogs 10-29-2010 07:17 PM

I'm probably going to catch crap about this one, but I tend to have to agree with Whitlock on this one. Doesn't really matter who sent the kid up there. A little common sense by the HC... who is in charge of the football operation... would have said to walk over to the film guys and said "I think we should sit this one out today, come on down." Now I realize tail lights burn brighter, but... :shrug:

LoneWolf 10-29-2010 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Spott (Post 7128027)
Kelly is definitely a douchebag for what he did to Cincinnati last year, but I don't know if this is his fault. You would think recording from the stands would be good enough instead of getting on a lift that high.

Notre Dame rarely practices inside their stadium so filming from the stands isn't an option. They have an outstanding outdoor practice field, but there are no stands around it.

I graduated from ND in 95', so my view may be a little skewed, but this looks like a tragic accident that could have been avoided. I don't think you can blame one person for this tragedy. Kelly, his staff, ND administration, and the kid himself all should share in the blame.

Bugeater 10-29-2010 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 7128174)
Notre Dame rarely practices inside their stadium so filming from the stands isn't an option. They have an outstanding outdoor practice field, but there are no stands around it.

I graduated from ND in 95', so my view may be a little skewed, but this looks like a tragic accident that could have been avoided. I don't think you can blame one person for this tragedy. Kelly, his staff, ND administration, and the kid himself all should share in the blame.

It's pretty hard to blame the kid, if he had been properly trained in how to use the lift he never would've went up in those conditions.

Psyko Tek 10-29-2010 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 7128175)
It's pretty hard to blame the kid, if he had been properly trained in how to use the lift he never would've went up in those conditions.

we are talking a 20 yr old male
probably said
oh hell yes, let's see jackass do this


at 20 I probably would have

LoneWolf 10-29-2010 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 7128175)
It's pretty hard to blame the kid, if he had been properly trained in how to use the lift he never would've went up in those conditions.

I'm in no way trying to make the kid look bad, but if you tweet "I guess I've lived long enough" and "Holy #hit, holy #hit, this is terrifying" don't you think you would come down on your own. If I though my life was in danger, I'm fairly certain my survival instincts would take over and I would say fug it and get out of there.

I feel sorry for his family and friends, but I don't agree that Kelly needs to lose his job over this. Whitlock has a personal vendetta against Notre Dame because they fired a black coach. He's as see through as saran wrap.

Coogs 10-29-2010 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 7128174)
Kelly, his staff, ND administration, and the kid himself all should share in the blame.

While I agree with this, ultimately someone has to take the responsibility for all the things that go on everyday within the football program at any university. My guess is that responsibility stops at the front door of the HC at every single program. In this case that would be Kelly.

I feel bad for everyone involved, but it is what it is.

Saul Good 10-29-2010 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 7128170)
I may agree with Whitlock on this. If Jim Tressel can recognize this then there is no reason Brian Kelly couldn't or didn't.

Tressel's quote is the most damning statement there could be. Without that quote, I wouldn't know what to think. Having read that quote, BK needs to resign. The student was under the coach's direction. A reasonable person could have been expected to have foreseen the risk. I wouldn't be opposed to criminal charges.

dirk digler 10-29-2010 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 7128274)
Tressel's quote is the most damning statement there could be. Without that quote, I wouldn't know what to think. Having read that quote, BK needs to resign. The student was under the coach's direction. A reasonable person could have been expected to have foreseen the risk. I wouldn't be opposed to criminal charges.

Yep that is exactly how I felt when I read that quote.

lazepoo 10-29-2010 08:14 PM

I'm dubious we'll see criminal charges, but there's no doubt in my mind there's a civil suit in ND's future.

Bugeater 10-29-2010 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 7128194)
I'm in no way trying to make the kid look bad, but if you tweet "I guess I've lived long enough" and "Holy #hit, holy #hit, this is terrifying" don't you think you would come down on your own. If I though my life was in danger, I'm fairly certain my survival instincts would take over and I would say fug it and get out of there.

I feel sorry for his family and friends, but I don't agree that Kelly needs to lose his job over this. Whitlock has a personal vendetta against Notre Dame because they fired a black coach. He's as see through as saran wrap.

I wasn't aware of the tweets. Who knows how serious he was but he should've never been allowed to go up in the first place.

Shogun 10-29-2010 08:17 PM

I would be willing to bet it comes down to the AD and Brian Kelly making one huge apology, the University financially settling with the family ( I also find it very odd almost immediately the school and family were talking about this ) OSHA slapping them with some huge fine and their people overseeing changes made to make sure that something like this never happens again. Something along those lines.

GloryDayz 10-29-2010 08:54 PM

I think Mangino will work for peanuts...


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