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Hog's Gone Fishin 10-30-2010 08:41 AM
Rushing yards per game:

Chiefs 176

Donkeys 68

BigRedChief 10-30-2010 08:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by runnercyclist (Post 7128740)
As much as I like Charles, I agree with this philosophy.
How many times has giving a RB a 2nd big money contract worked out for a team? It's rare.

Too big a gamble. I like charles also but historically its a bad move to give a RB their 2nd contract in the NFL.

NaptownChief 10-30-2010 09:29 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 7128866)
How many times has giving a RB a 2nd big money contract worked out for a team? It's rare.

Too big a gamble. I like charles also but historically its a bad move to give a RB their 2nd contract in the NFL.


Agreed....The top athletes in high school and college usually want to play RB. So their is an abundance of talent at RB. There are back up RB's at Texas, Florida, USC and the such that are talented enough to be productive NFL starting backs on a good team with a solid Oline. And then throw in the fact that RB's take far more hits than anyone else on the field so their shelf life is very short. Wise to spend that money on the Oline that can play much longer and have the ability to make a lot of RB's look very good.

FAX 10-30-2010 09:41 AM
Although it's true that running backs have a limited shelf life, I think Charles will be here for awhile. They've used him smartly (my only criticism being that it's difficult to get in the game's "flow" when you're part of a committee) and he seems happy to be a part of this deal.

It's been said a lot (and I've said it too many times), but here we go again ... one of the differences between this regime and past FO knuckleheads is a legitimate commitment to develop our own guys. You don't develop your own guys to the point they are solid, dependable, consistent contributors, then let them walk over the same (or slightly higher) money it would require to replace them.

Much depends on the draft, however. As we've seen, a good draft can change a lot of things in a hurry if you're willing to put the young guys on the field ... and Haley seems to be willing.

FAX

loochy 10-30-2010 09:54 AM
Very telling quote from McDaniels on Tebows' future with the Broncos
 
Very telling quote from McDaniels on Tebows' future with the Broncos:

"Well when you make a dumbass draft pick like Tebow, you have to keep him a few years. If you are lucky, he might show some sign of not completely sucking and I won't look like as much of an ass. Also, we suck."

Just Passin' By 10-30-2010 09:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 7128850)
Rod woodson on NFL Network was asked the question which coach is most on the hot seat between Singletary(49ers) and McDaniels(Donkeys). He chuckled and said , "I've never seen a coach completely dismantle a team in a two year period like Josh McDaniels. He got rid of Cutler for some reason. He cut his best receiver cause of attitude, he cut one of the best TE's in the league because of attitude. He fired a DC that took a Defense from dead last to top ten just because of a conflict in personality. It's just amazing how one Head Coach can thoroughly destroy a team that had developed chemistry in such a short time. His days are numbered"
Cutler helps opponents more than he helps his own team and he whined his way out of town, Scheffler can't/won't block, and Marshall had to go. The defense has had its best players on the shelf for a fair portion of the season.

Woodson should have tried for some actual analysis.

dj56dt58 10-30-2010 10:01 AM
One little problem....

His offensive line SUCKED last year and LJ did jack shit behind it. When you can take it to the house on any given play, it's not just your offensive line. I agree that averaging 5 or 6 yards per carry can be due to the line but few have the ability to break one to the end zone like Charles can.

Hog's Gone Fishin 10-30-2010 10:03 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 7128990)
Cutler helps opponents more than he helps his own team and he whined his way out of town, Scheffler can't/won't block, and Marshall had to go. The defense has had its best players on the shelf for a fair portion of the season.

Woodson should have tried for some actual analysis.
OK. KnowMo.

BigRedChief 10-30-2010 10:03 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FAX (Post 7128954)
Although it's true that running backs have a limited shelf life, I think Charles will be here for awhile. They've used him smartly (my only criticism being that it's difficult to get in the game's "flow" when you're part of a committee) and he seems happy to be a part of this deal.

It's been said a lot (and I've said it too many times), but here we go again ... one of the differences between this regime and past FO knuckleheads is a legitimate commitment to develop our own guys. You don't develop your own guys to the point they are solid, dependable, consistent contributors, then let them walk over the same (or slightly higher) money it would require to replace them.

Much depends on the draft, however. As we've seen, a good draft can change a lot of things in a hurry if you're willing to put the young guys on the field ... and Haley seems to be willing.

FAX
I can't disagree with any of this but reality is what it is. You have limited funds and late 20's-early 30's NFL RB's are either making killer money or they need to be replaced.

Just Passin' By 10-30-2010 10:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 7128998)
OK. KnowMo.
Hey, I've got no problem with taking people to task. I've just got a problem with doing it stupidly, which is what Woodson did.

FAX 10-30-2010 10:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 7128999)
I can't disagree with any of this but reality is what it is. You have limited funds and late 20's-early 30's NFL RB's are either making killer money or they need to be replaced.
Well, it's true that it always comes down to money and what the market will bear, Mr. BigRedChief. That's true. Every time an NFL player takes the field, he's auditioning.

But, the larger portion of my pea brain is leaning toward thinking that, when you are fully committed to the whole "developing your own guys" concept, you're not only trying to get guys to do what they're told and do it at a high level, you're also trying to get them to "buy in" to your program and your system.

This means that, when you add opportunity cost to the equation and consider the amount of time it takes to replace an existing player with a new guy and assimilate him into the organization, you can't help but want to keep the guys you have and avoid losing them to FA ... ideally, that is.

FAX

Mr. Laz 10-30-2010 10:12 AM
they wouldn't be rotating guys in and out if they weren't trying to keep them around.

Charles didn't have many carries until last year and i imagine they want to keep him around for awhile. When they start burning him in the ground with tons of carries then we will know they don't plan on keeping him.

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-30-2010 10:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 7128815)
After LJ, I'm not sure that anyone is going to cry if we don't sign an RB to a huge contract.
ROFL:clap: Damned fine point.

Bowser 10-30-2010 10:36 AM
Flopnuts beat me toit, but it's worth repeating - If the Chiefs didn't learn anything from the whole break the bank for LJ fiasco, they don't deserve to ever win shit.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 7128739)
I guess McDaniels has that same philisophy at every position.
Close this thread.

B_Ambuehl 10-30-2010 11:07 AM
3 things:

1. Pioli didn't draft Charles - carl did.

2. McCluster is the exact same type of tailback with a nearly identical skillset.

3. Your owner is at the bottom in spending and has been for several years.

Put those things together and it's quite obvious.


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