Originally Posted by KCJohnny (Post 7345827)

Ya might want to evaluate Belichick's record pre-Brady...

Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 7345828)

As a coordinator, Belichick's game-winning defensive plan from the Super Bowl is in Canton.

In his first head coaching gig, Belichick took a shit Cleveland team and turned them around and made the playoffs, beating his mentor Parcells's Patriots.

Belichick was not as press-savvy back then, and made the fatal error of benching the hometown hero Bernie Kosar to bring in Vinny Testaverde (which was the correct move, albeit a suicidal one for Belichick's reputation in Cleveland). Then they announced the team would move to Baltimore, and both the fans and the players turned on and quit on him. That wasn't his fault, and he did very well under the circumstances.

And I bet all those other great coaches have some suck-ass seasons on their resume, too...

Originally Posted by KCJohnny (Post 7345827)

Ya might want to evaluate Belichick's record pre-Brady...

Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 7345832)

Good grief. What does a guy have to do? How many SuperBowls does a guy have to win to put a Cleveland debacle behind him? I promise, I'm not a fan of the guy. Don't care. Just think he's a pretty beyond spectacular coach. Pretty crappy guy - I wouldn't want to hang out with him but results can't be argued.

Originally Posted by KCJohnny (Post 7345830)

I hear what you are saying, and your points are valid and legit. Just looking at W-L records with and without Brady and you have to wonder. BB is definitely top 10, maybe top 5. I just find it really hard to pick against Lombardi.

Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 7345839)

What's he supposed to do, trade Brady? What about Lombardi without Starr?

Originally Posted by KCJohnny (Post 7345834)

Really? How did the same coach do with Cassel at the helm of an 18-0 team? The defense rests, your honor.

Originally Posted by KCJohnny (Post 7345840)

What? You've never heard of Zeke Bratkowsi?

http://polishsportshof.com/wp-conten...bratkowski.jpg

Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 7345849)

Ok KCJ. Yeah, that's great. You were there. Tell me about Zeke.

Originally Posted by KCJohnny (Post 7345853)

He was the Earl Moral of the GB Packers. Nuff said.

Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 7345865)

Oh good grief. He played 5 years under Lombardi. He passed for not even 300 attempts in 5 years in relief of Starr - under Lombardi, which is the era we're discussing, right?

Originally Posted by SDChiefs (Post 7345446)

No! I do not forsee us having to win the belichick trophy.

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 7345458)

It's certainly possible. IMO, we won't really know until Brady retires. He certainly has a knack for keeping the team competitive through dramatic changes in personnel, that's for sure. The question is just how much Belichick could do if he didn't have a superstar quarterback to lean on.

Originally Posted by KCJohnny (Post 7345827)

Ya might want to evaluate Belichick's record pre-Brady...