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HotRoute 01-13-2011 11:48 PM

Josh Luchs thinks cam newton has great character, what are you guys talking about

HotRoute 01-13-2011 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 7353565)
Its how Newton got kicked off the Gators.

Both of them were accused of this, cam said he purchased it at a very low cost

chiefzilla1501 01-14-2011 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by grandllama (Post 7353497)
Well, if it meant my school being put on probation and me losing my eligibility in the middle of a championship season, .... probably not.

If it meant I could detract attention from the cheaters at Ohio State while everybody concentrated on me... definitely not

If it meant that two basketball players at a Big 12 team got suspended for using their Macy's 'Wow' card at the Manhattan Town Center just so the NCAA could say 'Hey, see, we take infractions seriously' and hoping everybody forgets the fact I'm the moron that actually broke rules, but I'm the NCAA's bread and butter...

ah what the hell, yeah. I do it.

I think all colleges bend the rules, but the word "cheater" doesn't work here.

OSU players didn't cheat. Unlike Auburn, neither the school nor boosters were caught doing anything illegal, and the players didn't get in trouble for doing something that might cause unfair advantage.

What they did was stupid and illegal. But not cheating.

chiefzilla1501 01-14-2011 12:13 AM

Well, I'm not a big fan of the kid because I think he's the classic example of a guy who gets away with murder because he happens to be good at football. But I'd draft a guy in a heartbeat if I thought he'd help my team.

The problem is, I don't think Cam Newton will. He's not going to be a good NFL QB and to boot, I don't think the guy has the character to become great.

grandllama 01-14-2011 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 7353601)
I think all colleges bend the rules, but the word "cheater" doesn't work here.

OSU players didn't cheat. Unlike Auburn, neither the school nor boosters were caught doing anything illegal, and the players didn't get in trouble for doing something that might cause unfair advantage.

What they did was stupid and illegal. But not cheating.

That logic works the same for the KState players....

Getting a discount on clothing is hardly cheating at their game...

But the NCAA did do everything they could to deflect criticism off their Cam decision by 'disciplining' others.

Bewbies 01-14-2011 12:39 AM

It cracks me up how quickly people write this guy off. He was better than Tebow and he can actually throw the ball.

chiefzilla1501 01-14-2011 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 7353666)
It cracks me up how quickly people write this guy off. He was better than Tebow and he can actually throw the ball.

The best QBs in the NFL are relentless students of the game. Peyton and Brady still to this day pour countless hours in the film room.

First of all, I'm not convinced Cam Newton is that smart. When you cheat three times in school at Florida, that's not the sign of someone who's particularly dedicated to working hard. Secondly, given the way he loves money, I can't imagine this is a guy who will keep his focus when he starts making billions of dollars. It sounds like there are plenty of scouts who question whether his work ethic is pretty similar to Jamarcus Russel's. Not good for a guy who is going to need a LOT of work, given the kind of college system he played in.

The one thing I knew about Tim Tebow is that he would work his tail off to become the best he could be. I don't know what his upside is, but I know that it wouldn't be for lack of effort.

I think he's going to find that those running lanes that he had in spades in college are going to disappear. He's going to have to learn to read a defense and I don't think he has the work ethic to do that.

Extra Point 01-14-2011 03:31 AM

Thus, the tailspin in the Auburn program begins. The Heisman committee will have another buyback program, and some NFL team has a wideout and kick returner in three seasons.

Thig Lyfe 01-14-2011 04:24 AM

If he were clean, I'd imagine he might want to stick around to prove a point.

DaKCMan AP 01-14-2011 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by The Amazing Heel (Post 7353468)
Well you guys would definitely hate me then, because there's not a thing he's done (or may have done) that I wouldn't do.

Seriously? I'm not bashing the guy's on-field performance. For argument's sake, go ahead and ignore the Dad-pay-for-play thing.

You'd steal another student's laptop?
You'd take another student's turned in assignment, erase his or her name, write in your own name, and then turn it in? Twice? Three times?

:shake:

Chiefnj2 01-14-2011 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 7353381)
I just don't see how his career is going to be worthwhile. Consider the following:
1) He will take three years to develop an aptitude for an NFL style offense/learning to read blitzes, etc.
2) Hes a scrambling QB, meaning he will be getting hit way more than average.
3) A large portion of his value is based on his speed. That diminishes ~30

So he'll be 22 by the time he hits the draft. Three years off the front, he'll be 25 by the time hes ready and if he doesn't get killed he'll be useful until about 31, 32. Seven years upside at a maximum. Compare that to a pocket QB coming from a pro style offense who is good for like fifteen years and its really no comparison IMO.

It's hard enough to find a franchise QB of any type who can play for 7 years let alone 15 years. Its' a silly argument to say "don't draft the guy because you'll only get 7 years of franchise play".

People said it would take Bradford 3 years to develop an aptitude for the NFL after "being a spread monkey". I'm not saying Newton is as smart or dedicated as Bradford. I have no idea. I do know he is a rare talent. He can throw the ball well. He can deal with adversity. He has led his team from behind in big games. If he seems serious about learning the NFL game, he could be a great QB.

DaKCMan AP 01-14-2011 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 7353829)
It's hard enough to find a franchise QB of any type who can play for 7 years let alone 15 years. Its' a silly argument to say "don't draft the guy because you'll only get 7 years of franchise play".

People said it would take Bradford 3 years to develop an aptitude for the NFL after "being a spread monkey". I'm not saying Newton is as smart or dedicated as Bradford. I have no idea. I do know he is a rare talent. He can throw the ball well. He can deal with adversity. He has led his team from behind in big games. If he seems serious about learning the NFL game, he could be a great QB.

Yep. I see Newton as a less accurate, slightly weaker-armed, more-mobile Josh Freeman.

bevischief 01-14-2011 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by SportsRacer (Post 7353811)
If he were clean, I'd imagine he might want to stick around to prove a point.

this.


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