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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 7427041)

I honestly don't remember which game it was I was watching, but he was fitting the ball into crazy windows to his receivers. He also seemed to be a pretty good leader and his teammates like him and he will be a hell of a guy to bring down. I think he can be Big Ben if he hits or at worst probably David Garrard. The NFL is always evolving and having a QB that make plays with his feet and arm is always a nice weapon to have. Even if he isn't Michael Vick, Steve Young and John Elway made a pretty good living with those legs as well.

I think he has a much better throwing motion and is more accuarte then what I saw out of Vince Young in college as well.

There are about a half a dozen QB's in this draft that I would be thrilled to have.

Big Ben might be an appropriate example, because he's a guy who holds onto the ball too long and gets away with it and doesn't seem to put nearly the kind of time into the game that players like Brady and Brees do. But that's a pretty lofty comparison.

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 7427041)

Yeah, he's easily a better prospect than Vince Young was. But there are things in his game that need a ton of work:
-He's a largely 1-read and fire away guy. You're not going to get away with that in the pros
-He gained a ton of yards on the ground by designed run plays where he was off and running as soon as he dropped back. He's also not going to get away with that in the pros.

Add this all up. #1 - I don't think he has the work ethic in the film room to learn how to read defenses to make him better. #2 - he looks like a guy who's instinct is going to be to look at the #1 target and if he's not open, use his legs. And that's a recipe for disaster every time.

milkman's right--running QBs in this league rarely ever succeed until they can prove they can pass the ball out of a dropback. Steve Young, McNair and McNabb strike me as three running QBs who got a lot better once they started using their arm more than their legs.

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 7427208)

Maybe so. But to me, it tells me that he's motivated by money. He seems to do all the right and smart things to position himself to make more money, but what happens when he gets that first paycheck? IMO, the fact that he couldn't motivate himself to even try to succeed in the classroom tells me that he's not going to put the kind of time he needs to once he gets paid.

Who gives a shit if he is motivated by money? It is a career for him. Oh, and by the way, he also did a pretty good job of winning this past season.

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 7427208)

I think there's a big difference between working in the college classroom and working in the football classroom.

We don't know Newton, but if football is his passion, then it's likely he will put the time in the football classroom to achieve.

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7427236)

I think there's a big difference between working in the college classroom and working in the football classroom.

We don't know Newton, but if football is his passion, then it's likely he will put the time in the football classroom to achieve.

You think?

I'm sure college athletes never take short cuts in the college classroom when they have millions of dollars ahead of them in the pros.

Knocking him as an NFL prospect because he got paid in college is a stretch. If you don't like him on a personal level, just say it. If you don't like him as a prospect, just say it. Don't connect dots that aren't there, though.

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 7427230)

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“He spends time in the film room on his own,” Malzahn said. “He goes over things. He has the same attitude off the field as he does on the field when it comes to football. He has a very good mind.”

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Newton, by all accounts, fit in beautifully. "I assumed this kid, coming from Florida, would have a little bit of an attitude," says Jeff Tilley, Blinn's sports information director. "But Cam was the opposite of a prima donna. He was a workaholic, and would talk to anyone."

#2. Here's a quote from the South Carolina defensive coordinator:

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The first time around, Ellis Johnson was more concerned with Cam Newton's throwing arm than his legs.

It seemed like a good idea at the time.

As South Carolina prepared for its Sept. 25 game at Jordan-Hare Stadium, Newton had started just three games as the Auburn quarterback. In two of them, against the quality defenses of Mississippi State and Clemson, he hadn't come close to rushing for 100 yards.

"We didn't have the respect for him as a runner," said Johnson, South Carolina's assistant coach in charge of defense. "I was more concerned about him throwing the ball deep."

And if you look at Newton's statistics, he became a substantially better passer as the season wore on. Percentage went up, interceptions became non-existent, yardages increased, etc.

It's funny...the same guys that were bagging on Bradford, Tebow and Freeman as quarterbacks that were going to bomb in the NFL are the same ones now bagging on Newton.

And it's the same stuff all over again: "Spread system quarterback." "Runs a lot." "Can't read a defense."

Oh noes! A guy has mobility! A guy from a spread never reads defenses, even though he went up against some of the best defenses and defensive players in the country in the SEC! They'll never make it in the NFL!

It kills me that some people are borderline ecstatic to draft guys like Aldon Smith or Justin Houston in the first round as a strong side OLB for a 3-4 when they've never played that position, but yet they are "athletes" and that's okay. However, when a guy who has actually played a position such as QB and has been very successful at it, they won't be able to play in the pros because their college that they played at wasn't one of the four remaining colleges who run a "pro style set" offense.

Or at least the highly touted guys. Guys who most people don't know about or don't have an idea about when they played college ball are okay with. Or if they played at Missouri. Blaine Gabbert played in a total spread system, is raw in terms of his physical makeup (the guy is soft), has a reputation for a less than stellar work ethic and had nowhere close to the success that Newton enjoyed on the field, but, goddamn, that kid would be worth trading up for, emiright?

And then, you have to look at some of the recent, highly touted guys to come out of "pro style" sets and see where they are in terms of NFL productivity:

JaMarcus Russell
Matt Leinhart
Jimmy Clausen (Though he had an absolutely awful rookie season, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt in terms of his NFL future. Personally, I think he's been overrated for a long, long time and is a Marinovich type of guy.)

And for all the hype/pub he gets, as well as the playoff success his team has had, Mark Sanchez is a bottom tier NFL level quarterback. He was third lowest in completion percentage of all NFL quarterbacks (just above Jimmy Clausen and Derek Anderson) and had the fifth lowest QB rating of all NFL quarterbacks (again, just eclipsing such notables as Jimmy Clausen and Derek Anderson.) He also had the fourth lowest yards per pass attempt in the NFL (once again, just marginally beating the amazing Clausen/Anderson duo.) It's amazing to look at the stats and see that it's the Sanchez/Clausen/Anderson trifecta at the very bottom of nearly every single statistical NFL QB category.

If this guy played on any other team, it would be catastrophic in terms of horribleness.

There's your uber-level recent "pro-style," "ready to play now" first round quarterbacks...

Yeesh.

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 7427392)

is raw in terms of his physical makeup (the guy is soft),

wut

There are several aspects to the "mental game". One part of it is the ability to handle pressure and step up in important games. The other aspect is that of the film study, gameplan dedication, reading defenses, etc.

Newton has the former category in spades. You can't question his mental toughness. The latter is what the coaches and GM's are going to have to determine in interviews when they ask him to break down plays, etc.

He was the leading COLLEGE PLAYER in 1st drive completion perecentages. He didn't throw as much as other guys, but when he did on those first drives that are largely scripeted, he had the best accuracy in the NCAA. That shows some ability to grasp the playbook and execute, even if the playbook wasn't as pro-ready as other programs.

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 7427241)

You think?

I'm sure college athletes never take short cuts in the college classroom when they have millions of dollars ahead of them in the pros.

There is a difference between taking shortcuts and facing expulsion for THREE counts of cheating. And another instance where he stole a laptop.

That tells me several things: 1) it certainly makes you question his dedication; 2) it says a lot that he almost ruined his entire career because he wasn't responsible enough. He was damn lucky Auburn took one last chance at him.

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 7427326)

Umm... where's the stretch? He has more than enough of a track record to question whether he has major maturity issues. I question whether he's going to be responsible enough to still hit the film room after he has millions of dollars of spending money to use.

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 7427392)

Where/how are you determining that "I don't think he has the work ethic in the film room to learn how to read defenses to make him better."?

I'm assuming that your opinions are simply self-deduced ones, correct?

#1: Here is a quote from his offensive coordinator at Auburn:

#2. Here's a quote from the South Carolina defensive coordinator:

And if you look at Newton's statistics, he became a substantially better passer as the season wore on. Percentage went up, interceptions became non-existent, yardages increased, etc.

It's funny...the same guys that were bagging on Bradford, Tebow and Freeman as quarterbacks that were going to bomb in the NFL are the same ones now bagging on Newton.

And it's the same stuff all over again: "Spread system quarterback." "Runs a lot." "Can't read a defense."

Oh noes! A guy has mobility! A guy from a spread never reads defenses, even though he went up against some of the best defenses and defensive players in the country in the SEC! They'll never make it in the NFL!

It kills me that some people are borderline ecstatic to draft guys like Aldon Smith or Justin Houston in the first round as a strong side OLB for a 3-4 when they've never played that position, but yet they are "athletes" and that's okay. However, when a guy who has actually played a position such as QB and has been very successful at it, they won't be able to play in the pros because their college that they played at wasn't one of the four remaining colleges who run a "pro style set" offense.

Or at least the highly touted guys. Guys who most people don't know about or don't have an idea about when they played college ball are okay with. Or if they played at Missouri. Blaine Gabbert played in a total spread system, is raw in terms of his physical makeup (the guy is soft), has a reputation for a less than stellar work ethic and had nowhere close to the success that Newton enjoyed on the field, but, goddamn, that kid would be worth trading up for, emiright?

Yeah, because coaches usually speak poorly about heisman type candidates. Opponent coaches always speak very highly of their opponent.

All I'm saying is to succeed at the next level, he has a lot of work to do and he's going to have to bust his ass to learn a pro offense. He'll either put his time into it, or he won't. I'm very skeptical. I think he's going to find some initial success using his legs and assume he doesn't have to put in the kind of time Peyton and Brady do in the film room. Especially after he gets that first paycheck.

I think he will be a fantastic NFL QB and teams should be willing to give up their entire drafts and maybe some players for the right to pick him at #2.

At least that is what I am hoping.

Honestly, I'd love to know the complaints folks have about Newton that are based in something we, as fans, could know?

Do people watch him on the field and see a player that can't play at the NFL level?