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Rausch 08-09-2012 07:34 AM

I disagree with the OP.

The only base defense we have is the 3-4.

HOW we play that changes as the game goes on/players get tired/players get injured.

We ran a lot of 4-3 some games once we started to get tore up on the ground and our down 3 change on 3rd down as well.

Romeo moves people around on defense as much as Saunders did on offense...

RustShack 08-09-2012 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 8802377)
I disagree with the OP.

The only base defense we have is the 3-4.

HOW we play that changes as the game goes on/players get tired/players get injured.

We ran a lot of 4-3 some games once we started to get tore up on the ground and our down 3 change on 3rd down as well.

Romeo moves people around on defense as much as Saunders did on offense...

All teams have sub-packages...

Demonpenz 08-09-2012 08:48 AM

Part of the problem is mentality that if you get blocked by one person and it is a draw that you won somehow on defender, if you take up 2 blocks hurray, but 1 blocker...noooo

Just Passin' By 08-09-2012 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 8802372)
This thread was bumped due to confusion in the Poe thread about 3-4 defenses that different players play in.

Hopefully this will set folks straight for yet another offseason.

The Steelers run a 1 gap system, not a 2 gap system.

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The Steelers version is primarily a “one-gap” system. The Steelers’ linemen play slightly to the side of their blockers, rather than directly in front of them. They are responsible for controlling only one gap, while the linebacker behind them is responsible for the other gap.

“With the guys we have right now, when you play two-gap you tie them down”, said Steelers’ defensive line coach John Mitchell. “Aaron Smith can run. Brett Keisel can run. Casey does a good job running. We have good inside linebackers who can cover ground. We can get away with a line playing one gap”.
http://steelerstoday.com/?p=3210

Direckshun 08-09-2012 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Not Gettin' It (Post 8802602)
The Steelers run a 1 gap system, not a 2 gap system.

http://steelerstoday.com/?p=3210

Straight from the horse's mouth.

Excellent work. OP will be changed in short time.

BossChief 08-09-2012 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 8469941)
what the **** ever ... if i wasn't so lazy i could show 5 times the number of plays where Belcher didn't penetrate and got caught up in the wash. In fact, against Baltimore it happened several times.

maybe Belcher will learn and develop like DJ did ... but not so far.

DJ and Belchers jobs are completely different.

Notice how Belcher is cheating to one side or the other presnap? That's because he watches enough film and is coached well enough to identify keys presnap that allow him to cheat to either side to gain a step in his responsibility...which is to identify the lead blocker and blow him up allowing DJ to make the tackle.

The fact that's his job and DJ was our leading tackler and Belcher was our second is a testament to how well the two work together.

chiefzilla1501 08-09-2012 11:23 AM

What's interesting about 2-gap is that the trend is shifting to having a nose that can play somewhat across the line. Wilfork doesn't okay 20 to 25 snaps as many nose tackles do. He is now playing almost all the defensive snaps. It adds a lot of flexibility to have a nose that can rotate into a 5-technique without taking the guy off the field. The 5-technique is still 2-gap. But you see where I'm coming from.

Hence, why they went after Poe. As I've said before,I imagine the chiefs top priority is to get him to learn one position, nose tackle, wel. But in a few months, I bet he plays across the line.

Xanathol 08-09-2012 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 7789850)
A two-gap 3-4 is less about creating havoc yourself, and more about freeing up your teammates. The defensive line is more focused on forcing the offensive line to commit as much resources to holding you up as possible. You are literally there to occupy blockers and force double-teams. Your players here need to be very strong run defenders, don't have to be as athletic, but need to rush the passer in a pinch.

The bold part is a bit off - collapse the pocket, sometimes, but never really pass rushers. A 1 gap system relies more on the 3-4 DL applying pass rushing pressure than a 2 gap system. You'll notice sometimes that a 2 gap 3-4 will also put a DL on watch for a draw ( Dorsey often has this role for the Chiefs, hanging out by the line vs working upfield ). All depends on the system, game plan, and play call.

OctoberFart 08-09-2012 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 7789906)
What do the Chargers play? We can throw the Texans in with them of course.

I think the Bills are one-gap, based on Kyle Williams and Marcell Dareus...

Bills play 4-3 but you can line a 4-3 exactly like a 3-4 and play same concept. Donkeys do that with Von Miller with a 4-3 under alignment which frees up Miller to rush the passer and puts him on the line next to a DE. Marty ran DT like that back in the hey day.

Dayze 08-09-2012 03:22 PM

I saw that video "1 Poe, 2 Gaps".

nasty

RustShack 08-09-2012 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by AutumnWind (Post 8803110)
Bills play 4-3 but you can line a 4-3 exactly like a 3-4 and play same concept. Donkeys do that with Von Miller with a 4-3 under alignment which frees up Miller to rush the passer and puts him on the line next to a DE. Marty ran DT like that back in the hey day.

This whole post seems pretty wrong. I could be wrong, but since the Bills were just making the switch to the 3-4 under Gaily, I doubt they are already switching back. The Broncos use a 4-3, but yes they might use Miller more like Thomas.

RUSH 08-09-2012 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 8803601)
This whole post seems pretty wrong. I could be wrong, but since the Bills were just making the switch to the 3-4 under Gaily, I doubt they are already switching back. The Broncos use a 4-3, but yes they might use Miller more like Thomas.

He's right, the Bills are switching back to the 4-3.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...o-4-3-defense/

RustShack 08-09-2012 04:08 PM

Sucks for the Bills. You need to make a choice and stick with it. Don't be like the Raiders and make a change every year or two continuously setting your team back.

And I had no idea Wannstedt was a Bill now.

Sorter 08-09-2012 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 8803636)
Sucks for the Bills. You need to make a choice and stick with it. Don't be like the Raiders and make a change every year or two continuously setting your team back.

And I had no idea Wannstedt was a Bill now.

Actually no. Their personnel is more fitted for a 4-3.

RustShack 08-09-2012 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 8803657)
Actually no. Their personnel is more fitted for a 4-3.

So you're saying in their attempt to switch to the 3-4, they literally didn't sign or draft a single player to make the switch? Interesting.


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