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Bengals Jermaine Gresham's catch/no catch (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=252772)

Spott

11-21-2011 12:18 PM

Definitily a catch. The Calvin Johnson rule is reeruned.

Bowser

11-21-2011 12:25 PM

So if he makes that catch in the middle of the endzone and bobbles it a few times before putting it away, is it a no catch or touchdown?

BryanBusby

11-21-2011 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 8127604)

So if he makes that catch in the middle of the endzone and bobbles it a few times before putting it away, is it a no catch or touchdown?

Touchdown. The difference between that example and this was Jermaine Gresham eventually lost control of the ball when he was going to the ground.

Chiefnj2

11-21-2011 12:35 PM

If the "possession all the way through the catch" rule was changed there would be many more questionable calls.

Bowser

11-21-2011 12:38 PM

However you dice it up, the Bengals clearly got ****ed on that play.

FAX	11-21-2011 01:55 PM

This rule thing has gotten out of hand.

The NFL has gone off their rocker, man.

They have tossed the fruitcake.

Spent their marbles.

Slept on the deck in their hat.

FAX

FAX	11-21-2011 01:57 PM

Was that play where the defender guy touched the ball while he had one toe out of bounds but the receiver guy caught the ball and had possession before he went out of bounds but they called it incomplete because the defender guy touched the ball against us?

FAX

KC native

11-21-2011 02:50 PM

yea, should have been a touchdown and we should have drafted Andy Dalton. that is all.

mikey23545

11-21-2011 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 8127412)

No. You need to establish possession. To establish possession on a catch requires control of the ball and a football move, or all the way to the ground etc. Otherwise, a 10th of a second "catch" that is knocked out of the receiver's hands is a TD.

That's the difference between a player who has established possession before he hits the goal line (receiver who previously established possession and is running down the field, or a RB who takes the handoff) and a player who is still working to establish possession on the "catch".

We're not going to listen to the opinion of someone who is a fan of a team that gets every ****ing call in their favor every game.

orange

11-21-2011 03:30 PM

Before it can be a touchdown, it has to be a catch - a completed pass. And that means he has to hold it when he hits the ground. Where he is on the field doesn't matter.

OP: "it applies everywhere on the field" This is correct.

The OP then contradicts itself "~~Because of that, Gresham technically caught the ball in the end zone, therefore,~~ he must maintain possession of it after he hits the ground." WRONG! Only the non-struck part is correct, the rest is just muddle.

petegz28

11-21-2011 03:43 PM

If you have control at any point then it should be ruled a catch. I don't understand how you can demonstrate control then suddenly lose control resulting in an incompletion?

petegz28

11-21-2011 03:44 PM

Ands that is SO a TD it's not even funny. He had control and crossed the goalline.

BryanBusby

11-21-2011 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC native (Post 8127970)

yea, should have been a touchdown and we should have drafted Andy Dalton. that is all.

He would of been ****ed if Pioli drafted him.

orange

11-21-2011 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 8128106)

If you have control at any point then it should be ruled a catch. I don't understand how you can demonstrate control then suddenly lose control resulting in an incompletion?

Translation: you don't understand - or accept - the rules. I'm sure the NFL will endure.

p.s. it was not a catch, not a touchdown, and the Bengals lost. C'est la vie.

dtebbe

11-21-2011 04:36 PM

IMHO if you have to control it after you hit the ground on a pass, the same thing should go when you are rushing.

IMHO if you put the ball out there on a lollypop when you are diving over the pile on the goal line and someone swats the ball out before you are down, that should be a fumble. (especially if you are going to enforce this ridiculous "Calvin Johnson" rule. Don't care if you break the plane or not.

DT

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