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Garcia Bronco 12-20-2011 09:19 AM
Really...you guys don't want to kick the tires some more? You're ready to put a ring on his finger? Wow.

KC_Lee 12-20-2011 09:21 AM
Considering what we had before Orton (Huard, Croyle Cassel) it's easy to get excited.

I agree with giving him a 2 year deal and drafting a QB in the first round.

Chiefnj2 12-20-2011 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8222474)
The only thing I will say in Orton's defense:

He never had a running game AND a defense in Denver.

The Broncos were 18th in rushing and 7th in defense his first year.

His second year they were 26th in rushing and 32nd in defense.

In KC he will most likely have a top 10 running game and top 15 defense next season.
2008 Bears had a running game and an average D.

wutamess 12-20-2011 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8222387)
There's a reason Broncos fans hated him.

Pressure mostly turns him into a puddle of goo.
Could it be because they got rid of his favorite target... Tebow is really tearing it up in the passing game.

Hammock Parties 12-20-2011 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8222504)
2008 Bears had a running game and an average D.
They were 24th in rushing.

Shox 12-20-2011 09:23 AM
Giving away draft picks to move up when you still have holes to fill for a QB who might be Ryan Leaf, David Carr, etc etc is stupid.

If we had the Oline fixed, a nose tackle, ILB, another pass rusher and a RB to complement Charles. Sure give all our picks to get one of the top 2 QBs....but we don't.

Sign Orton to a 2-3 year deal and keep looking for the next Tom Brady later in draft. Orton is still young and seems to still be improving. He will make us a playoff caliber team at the worst and who knows he might be a Gannon or Simms type QB and get to a superbowl.

Pasta Little Brioni 12-20-2011 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8222453)
He's very inconsistent.

As far as having great weapons in KC, people need to get a grip. Bowe can be invisible just as many times as he makes a great catch. Breaston is a good slot receiver, and Baldwin is still a complete unknown.
I'm suuuuure that has nothing to do with the QB's KC has had behind center :rolleyes:

Bwana 12-20-2011 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by KC_Lee (Post 8222500)
Considering what we had before Orton (Huard, Croyle Cassel) it's easy to get excited.

I agree with giving him a 2 year deal and drafting a QB in the first round.
Ok, thinking about what we have had for the post Green years, makes me want to curb stomp the Easter Bunny. What a load of trash! No wonder Orton looks so good.

Chiefnj2 12-20-2011 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 8222513)
I'm suuuuure that has nothing to do with the QB's KC has had behind center :rolleyes:
Great receivers can help elevate a QB. Bowe hasn't had a TD in 9 games. Gonzo had crap throwing to him for many games and was still able to consistently beat double and triple teams.

wutamess 12-20-2011 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8222504)
2008 Bears had a running game and an average D.
When has he EVER had a true #1 WR? Lloyd aint a #1 but Orton made him to be one. This guy is a great fit for this team.

Pasta Little Brioni 12-20-2011 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Shox (Post 8222511)
Giving away draft picks to move up when you still have holes to fill for a QB who might be Ryan Leaf, David Carr, etc etc is stupid.

If we had the Oline fixed, a nose tackle, ILB, another pass rusher and a RB to complement Charles. Sure give all our picks to get one of the top 2 QBs....but we don't.Sign Orton to a 2-3 year deal and keep looking for the next Tom Brady later in draft. Orton is still young and seems to still be improving. He will make us a playoff caliber team at the worst and who knows he might be a Gannon or Simms type QB and get to a superbowl.
This line of thinking is absolutely reeruned. EVERY TEAM IN THE NFL IS FLAWED. Every damn one. If it was up to you, no team would ever take a QB, because it's impossible to assemble the perfect team.

Chiefnj2 12-20-2011 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by wutamess (Post 8222526)
When has he EVER had a true #1 WR? Lloyd aint a #1 but Orton made him to be one. This guy is a great fit for this team.
Without looking it up myself, did he have Brandon Marshall?

wutamess 12-20-2011 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Shox (Post 8222511)
Giving away draft picks to move up when you still have holes to fill for a QB who might be Ryan Leaf, David Carr, etc etc is stupid.

If we had the Oline fixed, a nose tackle, ILB, another pass rusher and a RB to complement Charles. Sure give all our picks to get one of the top 2 QBs....but we don't.

Sign Orton to a 2-3 year deal and keep looking for the next Tom Brady later in draft. Orton is still young and seems to still be improving. He will make us a playoff caliber team at the worst and who knows he might be a Gannon or Simms type QB and get to a superbowl.
THIS!

Molitoth 12-20-2011 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8222453)
As far as having great weapons in KC, people need to get a grip. Bowe can be invisible just as many times as he makes a great catch. Breaston is a good slot receiver, and Baldwin is still a complete unknown.
Exactly!

Bowe drops a lot of crucial balls.
Breaston has been pretty good.
Baldwin is still unknown. I've seen him "Almost" make some circus catches, but almost doesn't get you anywhere.

patteeu 12-20-2011 09:31 AM
I like Orton better than Cassel, but if the Chiefs sign Orton they're probably going to be sinking enough money into the deal to make it hard not to start Orton for at least a couple of years (just like with Cassel two years ago when he signed his K). That makes drafting an early round QB prospect less likely, IMO.

So I'm OK with signing Orton, but I'd rather see them draft a 1st round QB and keep Cassel to start until the new guy (or Stanzi) is ready.


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