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DJ's left nut 03-13-2012 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 8447776)
He's probably going to go in the late part of Round 1.

Hmmm....that sucks. I had gotten used to see him behind Miller (foolishly, really).

Miller with the #2 is fine as well; he's just not as shifty as Wilson. He's more of a Michael Bennett type; see edge, run at edge, hope he beats you to it. He's not as fluid and won't have quite the upside.

But in all honesty, with that line in front of him, beating teams to the edge is probably going to be a pretty common occurrence.

Micjones 03-13-2012 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 8447775)
Nah. Much rather draft a young speedy back rather than sign another broke dick. We don't need Thomas Jones Part II

Thomas Jones was a good #2 in his first year here.
We don't need an all-world back in that role.
Just someone who can pick up a blitz, catch the ball out of the backfield and help in short-yard situations. That said, I'm not opposed to drafting a RB.

Titty Meat 03-13-2012 09:46 AM

DJ made me hate the Chiefs a little less today.

tooge 03-13-2012 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8447749)
I hate to go all truefan here, but take a look at this team with a couple of additions and easy draft picks:

Sign Soliai
Sign Winston
Sign Orton
Draft DeCastro (Richardson is gone with the RGIII deal, IMO)

We would have the best offensive line in football and it wouldn't even be that close. We would have a QB that has proven capable of throwing for 3,500+ yards when given time and a supporting cast. Good lord - how do you stop us from running right with DeCastro and Winston over there? And we're not exactly dogmeat with Albert and Asomoah on the other side. Especially when you have to respect Moeaki in the seam, Baldwin deep and Bowe over the middle...y'know, since we have a real QB at that point.

We would have an extremely young defense with literally not a single real hole, though you'd like to see a more dynamic threat at the DEs, that's just not how Romeo plays.

Those 4 moves are extremely doable and would make us a legitimate contender. Use a 2nd rounder on David Wilson, a 3rd on Broyles, a 4th on a TE...

We'd be ready to rock.

That team can win a championship. It's not sexy, it's not flashy, but it's incredibly doable.

If this happened, Manning can take his long ass broke neck to Dungver and we'd still kick their asses.

tooge 03-13-2012 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8447784)
Hmmm....that sucks. I had gotten used to see him behind Miller (foolishly, really).

Miller with the #2 is fine as well; he's just not as shifty as Wilson. He's more of a Michael Bennett type; see edge, run at edge, hope he beats you to it. He's not as fluid and won't have quite the upside.

But in all honesty, with that line in front of him, beating teams to the edge is probably going to be a pretty common occurrence.

What about Michael Bush? Big, Physical, not too many miles on him, what, in his fourth year? Nice one two three punch with JC, Dex, and Bush.

Viper400 03-13-2012 09:52 AM

The offense with Cassel will struggle again. Will have to rely on the running game. Sign Winston and Nicks/Grubbs. Maybe Dallas Clark.

With no decent FA QB's out there, only other option is to bolster the D. Sign Soliai.

Strongside 03-13-2012 09:54 AM

The more I read here, the more I don't give a flying **** that we're not getting Peyton Manning.

Dayze 03-13-2012 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Viper400 (Post 8447806)
The offense with Cassel will struggle again. Will have to rely on the running game. Sign Winston and Nicks/Grubbs. Maybe Dallas Clark.

With no decent FA QB's out there, only other option is to bolster the D. Sign Soliai.

he's broken; just like Moeaki

Chief Roundup 03-13-2012 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8447749)
I hate to go all truefan here, but take a look at this team with a couple of additions and easy draft picks:

Sign Soliai
Sign Winston
Sign Orton
Draft DeCastro (Richardson is gone with the RGIII deal, IMO)

We would have the best offensive line in football and it wouldn't even be that close. We would have a QB that has proven capable of throwing for 3,500+ yards when given time and a supporting cast. Good lord - how do you stop us from running right with DeCastro and Winston over there? And we're not exactly dogmeat with Albert and Asomoah on the other side. Especially when you have to respect Moeaki in the seam, Baldwin deep and Bowe over the middle...y'know, since we have a real QB at that point.

We would have an extremely young defense with literally not a single real hole, though you'd like to see a more dynamic threat at the DEs, that's just not how Romeo plays.

Those 4 moves are extremely doable and would make us a legitimate contender. Use a 2nd rounder on David Wilson, a 3rd on Broyles, a 4th on a TE...

We'd be ready to rock.

That team can win a championship. It's not sexy, it's not flashy, but it's incredibly doable.

Winning ugly like you have described above looks more and more like the only way we will ever be able to compete for a championship.
If we continue to improve this team we will continue to win a game or 2 more ever season. Moving us further and further down the draft board.
With the new rookie contract system more teams are willing to draft a QB early in the first or trade up if they have to because the risk is so much lower.
We already seen that it took 2 1st rounders and a 2cd rounder to move up 4 spots. What is it going to take next year if we are setting at 15 or 16?

sedated 03-13-2012 10:10 AM

I don’t care what we do with the other 21 positions, if our starting QB is Matt Cassel, we aren’t winning a playoff game next season.

htismaqe 03-13-2012 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 8447840)
Winning ugly like you have described above looks more and more like the only way we will ever be able to compete for a championship.
If we continue to improve this team we will continue to win a game or 2 more ever season. Moving us further and further down the draft board.
With the new rookie contract system more teams are willing to draft a QB early in the first or trade up if they have to because the risk is so much lower.
We already seen that it took 2 1st rounders and a 2cd rounder to move up 4 spots. What is it going to take next year if we are setting at 15 or 16?

We'll never actually compete for a championship if we're forced to "win ugly".

It seems like 9-7 and an occasional playoff win is about all we can hope for.

DJ's left nut 03-13-2012 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8447854)
We'll never actually compete for a championship if we're forced to "win ugly".

It seems like 9-7 and an occasional playoff win is about all we can hope for.

Keep saying it if it makes you feel better.

But the Ravens and 49ers were both muffed special teams plays away from beating 2 of the 6 best QBs in the NFL to go to the Super Bowl last year.

It can be done - you just don't have as great a margin for error. With those moves, you don't need one.

Chief Roundup 03-13-2012 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8447854)
We'll never actually compete for a championship if we're forced to "win ugly".

It seems like 9-7 and an occasional playoff win is about all we can hope for.

Yeah if we were to make moves like those that DJ posted we might even go 11-5 with Cassel, like he did in New England. We all know it was because of the supporting cast!!!
Then either get put out in the first round, as usual, or might even get a win which we would all love. But that is as far is it will go with Cassel IMO.

htismaqe 03-13-2012 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8447868)
Keep saying it if it makes you feel better.

But the Ravens and 49ers were both muffed special teams plays away from beating 2 of the 6 best QBs in the NFL to go to the Super Bowl last year.

It can be done - you just don't have as great a margin for error. With those moves, you don't need one.

Close only counts in horseshoes and hanggernades.

The Ravens and 49ers were both muffed special teams plays away. Just like the Chiefs in 1995 and how many other dozens of teams over the years?

The 2000 Ravens are an anomaly.

Yes, it can be done. But holding your breath waiting for the 1 in 100000 chance is going to end up with you suffocating, not with the Chiefs ground-pounding their way to a Super Bowl...

DJ's left nut 03-13-2012 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 8447872)
Yeah if we were to make moves like those that DJ posted we might even go 11-5 with Cassel, like he did in New England. We all know it was because of the supporting cast!!!
Then either get put out in the first round, as usual, or might even get a win which we would all love. But that is as far is it will go with Cassel IMO.

Cassel would not be the starter with the moves I suggested.


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