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beach tribe 04-04-2012 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8518774)
There isn't a LB in this league that can cover the elite TEs, and Kuechly is not going to come in and be that guy.

Taking a LB for his cover skills is absolute moronacy at the top of the draft.
Especially a guy who would be playing LILB for us. That said, I do think he would make a good thumper, just don't know if that's the best route for us to go, all things considered.

Direckshun 04-04-2012 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8518774)
There isn't a LB in this league that can cover the elite TEs, and Kuechly is not going to come in and be that guy.

Taking a LB for his cover skills is absolute moronacy at the top of the draft.
I wouldn't take him for that. I'd take him because he's amazing at a shit ton of things, including that.

His coverage ability as a linebacker is about as good as I've ever seen from a 240 lbs linebacker.

Period.

milkman 04-04-2012 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 8518779)
Especially a guy who would be playing LILB for us. That said, I do think he would make a good thumper, just don't know if that's the best route for us to go, all things considered.
The thing is, the idea that he can be a thumper is a projection based in his size.

I would argue that a guy that hasn't shown he is a thumper has the desire to be a thumper.

It took DJ 5 years to finally get to a point that he plays a more physical game than the one he played in college.

Direckshun 04-04-2012 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8518797)
The thing is, the idea that he can be a thumper is a projection based in his size.

I would argue that a guy that hasn't shown he is a thumper has the desire to be a thumper.

It took DJ 5 years to finally get to a point that he plays a more physical game than the one he played in college.
Kuechly sheds blocks EXTREMELY WELL.

I agree that there would be an adjustment period, but Boston College prospects are renowned for developing extremely well into pros.

milkman 04-04-2012 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 8518782)
I wouldn't take him for that. I'd take him because he's amazing at a shit ton of things, including that.

His coverage ability as a linebacker is about as good as I've ever seen from a 240 lbs linebacker.

Period.
The argument presented by almost everyone here is that he is an elite cover backer.

I'm not replacing a guy that I know is a thumper with a guy that people think can be a thumper becuase of size simply because he's an 'elite cover backer".

There is no such thing.

No LB can cover the elite TEs.

He is better at it than Belcher at this point, but the guys that can hurt you are the ones that no LB can cover.

milkman 04-04-2012 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 8518801)
Kuechly sheds blocks EXTREMELY WELL.

I agree that there would be an adjustment period, but Boston College prospects are renowned for developing extremely well into pros.
I am not taking a guy that could be a thumper to replace a guy I know is a thumper.

We can argue all night about it, and my position won't change.

Direckshun 04-04-2012 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8518813)
I am not taking a guy that could be a thumper to replace a guy I know is a thumper.

We can argue all night about it, and my position won't change.
That's because you're an old fart who won't learn new tricks.

What do we ask thumpers to do?

Attack the line of scrimmage, slam the hole, shed blocks and rack up tackles in the box.

There is nothing to suggest Kuechly will be anything other than stellar in this role.

His ability to shed blocks are as good as anybody. He doesn't hit with authority, but he doesn't miss tackles either by going for the big hit. He will require less than a season's worth of development and be as good as anybody in the league by his second season.

He is a sure thing.

He's not necessarily who I'd take at 11, but he's a sure thing.

milkman 04-04-2012 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 8518828)
That's because you're an old fart who won't learn new tricks.

What do we ask thumpers to do?

Attack the line of scrimmage, slam the hole, shed blocks and rack up tackles in the box.

There is nothing to suggest Kuechly will be anything other than stellar in this role.

His ability to shed blocks are as good as anybody. He doesn't hit with authority, but he doesn't miss tackles either by going for the big hit. He will require less than a season's worth of development and be as good as anybody in the league by his second season.

He is a sure thing.

He's not necessarily who I'd take at 11, but he's a sure thing.
Aaron Curry was a sure thing.

Bump 04-04-2012 09:19 PM
I saw just as many bad plays as good plays on that first video.

Chiefshrink 04-04-2012 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefMojo (Post 8499851)
Kuechly is a read and react type ILB. To add on top of that, he didn't really have crap around him at BC. So in turn he was asked to pretty much free lance around making all the plays. Sometimes that even meant him getting the tackle a fair amount down the field. He wasn't able to attack the line of scrimmage as much as one would expect from someone his size/talent. The reason being was they couldn't have him committing to deep into the line of scrimmage only to lose him down the field for tackles. With the Chiefs he wouldn't have to worry about that. DJ is there to be more of the side line to side line type guy. That allows Kuechly to focus more on his general zone/area... also attack the line of scrimmage more as a thumper but still have the ability to go side line to side line (definite upgrade over Belcher).
Thx !! I feel better now:)

Bump 04-05-2012 12:49 AM
with the way Romeo can coach guys up, it would probably be a good pick. But I think that Hightower is going to be the best LB out of this draft.

Chiefs=Champions 04-05-2012 01:04 AM
At this point my preferred 1st round would be:

1. Tannehill




2. Trade down
3. Kuechly
4. BPA- even if that's Floyd, another pass rushers etc..

Viper400 04-05-2012 07:54 AM
Might not matter anyway. Rumor is Rivera loves Kuechly and Carolina will draft him at 9.

buddha 04-05-2012 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 8518828)
That's because you're an old fart who won't learn new tricks.

What do we ask thumpers to do?

Attack the line of scrimmage, slam the hole, shed blocks and rack up tackles in the box.

There is nothing to suggest Kuechly will be anything other than stellar in this role.

His ability to shed blocks are as good as anybody. He doesn't hit with authority, but he doesn't miss tackles either by going for the big hit. He will require less than a season's worth of development and be as good as anybody in the league by his second season.

He is a sure thing.

He's not necessarily who I'd take at 11, but he's a sure thing.
He's a sure thing? Sure to do what exactly? You must be very easy to impress if you looked at that video and came up with, "sure thing!"

Kuechly is servicable...not dominant. If you're taking a LB at this point in the draft, he had better be dominant. We're the same team that passed on Patrick Willis. Think about it.

Belcher is good enough, and Kuechly won't be an improvement anytime soon, if ever.

I'd go offensive line, CB, or defensive line at that position if the right guys were there. If not, trade down and get more picks.

kcbubb 04-05-2012 04:05 PM
I really don't want to take an ILB or G with the available talent at #11. For once, I agree with Milkman. He's still a prick with his delivery. But he is right on this one. I would rather have Brockers than Barron because I think Lewis is a better solution than Dorsey respectively for their positions. But Barron is still a playmaker.

Ingram would probably be a better ILB than Kuechly for the thumper role. He's very athletic and physical. Obviously Ingram's best spot is OLB, rushing the passer.


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