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Chiefnj2 04-20-2012 11:53 AM

I like 1, 2, 3 and 6.

DJ's left nut 04-20-2012 01:40 PM

Hate that draft.

Taking Barron at all in the first is a waste and then to double up on safeties just further diminishes his value.

The 'arcade football' crowd has lost its damn mind. You don't need 3 high-value safeties to have a great defense; we'd have drafted 3 guys including 2 first rounders and have a 4th guy that's starting caliber. The NFL isn't going to be about loading as many hybrid athletes into the defensive backfield as possible. The league simply isn't going to let these safeties cover like you think they will. The PI flags are still going to be thrown on deep balls. The roughing flags are still coming out on hard hits. Coverage from the safety position has been largely neutered by the rules and is overrated as hell. The idea that we're going to deal with the pinball offenses in the league by just overloading safeties is ridiculous.

If you're going to go heavy at a spot on the defense, target the D-line. Take a guy like Mercilus or Brockers. The D-Line, namely getting interior push to prevent the short routes underneath, is going to be where games are won and lost for the foreseeable future, IMO. Chapman's a start, but if you're doubling down and burning 3 picks on defense you'd be better served to go Brockers, Still, Chapman. Or Brockers, Harrison Smith, Chapman. Or Mercilus, Ta'amu, Taylor, etc...

The trenches are where to focus on right now, IMO - not the safeties.

And we're reaching pretty badly on Chapman there, IMO.

Dmello12 04-20-2012 02:49 PM

Brockers is being interviewed on ESPN right now, also showed his sports science episode

milkman 04-21-2012 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis (Post 8554722)
I also think that the role and importance of the safety is being redefined as the NFL transitions into a pass first league.

That's a trend setting thought right there.

Why I bet if I and a couple of others around here hadn't already been saying that for 3 years or more already, that it'd be a brand new idea.

milkman 04-21-2012 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8555700)
Hate that draft.

Taking Barron at all in the first is a waste and then to double up on safeties just further diminishes his value.

The 'arcade football' crowd has lost its damn mind. You don't need 3 high-value safeties to have a great defense; we'd have drafted 3 guys including 2 first rounders and have a 4th guy that's starting caliber. The NFL isn't going to be about loading as many hybrid athletes into the defensive backfield as possible. The league simply isn't going to let these safeties cover like you think they will. The PI flags are still going to be thrown on deep balls. The roughing flags are still coming out on hard hits. Coverage from the safety position has been largely neutered by the rules and is overrated as hell. The idea that we're going to deal with the pinball offenses in the league by just overloading safeties is ridiculous.

If you're going to go heavy at a spot on the defense, target the D-line. Take a guy like Mercilus or Brockers. The D-Line, namely getting interior push to prevent the short routes underneath, is going to be where games are won and lost for the foreseeable future, IMO. Chapman's a start, but if you're doubling down and burning 3 picks on defense you'd be better served to go Brockers, Still, Chapman. Or Brockers, Harrison Smith, Chapman. Or Mercilus, Ta'amu, Taylor, etc...

The trenches are where to focus on right now, IMO - not the safeties.

And we're reaching pretty badly on Chapman there, IMO.

Disagree strongly with you on the value of safety, as I disagree strongly with you on the value of guard.

I have a ton of respect for your opinions and take on things, but we just won't ever be on the same page on these positions.

I do appreciate and value your perspective, though.

Urc Burry 04-21-2012 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8557593)
Disagree strongly with you on the value of safety, as I disagree strongly with you on the value of guard.

I have a ton of respect for your opinions and take on things, but we just won't ever be on the same page on these positions.

I do appreciate and value your perspective, though.

Just curious, do you think pretty low of Kendrick Lewis or are you just really high on Barron? I thought Lewis has shown flashes and can become a solid starter for our team. He is just now going into his third year in which most players break out

milkman 04-21-2012 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urc Burry (Post 8557603)
Just curious, do you think pretty low of Kendrick Lewis or are you just really high on Barron? I thought Lewis has shown flashes and can become a solid starter for our team. He is just now going into his third year in which most players break out

I think Lewis is a solid center fielder type, but that's all he is and all he'll ever be.

BossChief 04-21-2012 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8555700)
Hate that draft.

Taking Barron at all in the first is a waste and then to double up on safeties just further diminishes his value.

The 'arcade football' crowd has lost its damn mind. You don't need 3 high-value safeties to have a great defense; we'd have drafted 3 guys including 2 first rounders and have a 4th guy that's starting caliber. The NFL isn't going to be about loading as many hybrid athletes into the defensive backfield as possible. The league simply isn't going to let these safeties cover like you think they will. The PI flags are still going to be thrown on deep balls. The roughing flags are still coming out on hard hits. Coverage from the safety position has been largely neutered by the rules and is overrated as hell. The idea that we're going to deal with the pinball offenses in the league by just overloading safeties is ridiculous.

If you're going to go heavy at a spot on the defense, target the D-line. Take a guy like Mercilus or Brockers. The D-Line, namely getting interior push to prevent the short routes underneath, is going to be where games are won and lost for the foreseeable future, IMO. Chapman's a start, but if you're doubling down and burning 3 picks on defense you'd be better served to go Brockers, Still, Chapman. Or Brockers, Harrison Smith, Chapman. Or Mercilus, Ta'amu, Taylor, etc...

The trenches are where to focus on right now, IMO - not the safeties.

And we're reaching pretty badly on Chapman there, IMO.

we have two safeties on the roster currently and both ate coming off injury and we run as many 3 safety packages than any team in the league.

I'm totally cool with drafting a kid that has Seymour type skills but Brockers isn't that guy.

He has 2 sacks in 2 years as a starter.

0 forced fumbles.

Seymour averages over 5 a year.

Talk about overloading one spot...

Dorsey
Jackson
Bailey
Gordon

That's a solid set of ends.

I'd rather take Decastro and I'm certainly not a fan of his...but at least I can see a clear upgrade.


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