Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 8580484)

1. Although it hasn't worked out, it could be worse. We could still have Thigpen at QB
2. Jackson is starting to play well. Everything I've read about d lineman confirms that it takes some time.
3. Haley was a bold move. He was a young OC from a Superbowl team. Complaining about this cracks me up.
4. Your love for Orton is duly noted. However, outside of those 3 games what has Orton shown. Orton is Matt Cassel
5. A move that would have taken a lot of picks to pull. Tbh, you're upset that we didn't throw away a bunch of picks to move up and take a quarterback who has only started a handful of games in college. and you're upset about the trade for cassel?

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 8580474)

I don't think anybody they drafted in the first 3 rounds were drafted just be backups. Maybe this year with the OL but Poe will start this year. Both OL were drafted right where future starting guards etc...should be drafted.

Who were we going to draft after round 1 that was going to be a starter? What position outside of FB and NT (QB off the table as we know) do we have legitimate openings for a starter now after the off season pick up of Winston, Boss etc...?

The starting 22 is pretty much set barring injury and the skill positions have backups for the most part, our whole draft was going to be for depth after Poe.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8580481)

I don't know that we can call them abortions. Allen could potentially be a starter at a key position and you can see Menzie playing some kind of a role. What you have to like about picks like Stephenson and Wylie is that they're depth picks, but they're based a lot more on potential than they are on making an immediate impact. For a Left Tackle, I care a lot about having fast feet and many seem to point out that he has some of the best in this class. Boom/bust guy. Wylie is a guy who probably won't see the field anytime soon, but you have to like his raw athletic ability. Hemingway and Long are your run-of-the-mill late round guys.

It wasn't a sexy draft, but once again, you could see probably about 5 of these guys not just making the roster, but earning a roster spot. And there's some potential boom that a few of these guys could be quality starters in 3 years. I'd give the draft a B, but yeah, the nature of the later picks makes this entire thing ride on Poe.

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 8580504)

I said I liked Allen, Gray, Menzie, and Hemingway.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8580500)

#1 - it's the one move that could throw Pioli's entire resume out the window. Which is why it's mind-numbing that he's so stubborn about it.
#2 - agreed. Jackson wasn't a great pick, but he was very good given the talent level of that draft class.
#3 - Haley helped this team a ton. I don't know that anyone can be critical of the hiring. I'm one of the few that's critical of the firing as well.
#4 - Orton > Cassel, and starting next year, a shitload cheaper. Bad move.
#5 - It wouldn't have taken a ton of picks to get Tannehill. I just don't get the hype with him. Tannehill felt like a QB of convenience. I think 2013 has potential to be a very deep QB class and, in that class, he could potentially be the 5th or 6th best.

Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 8580469)

I see your concern, however, is a nt going to see a lot of statistical production?

Originally Posted by CrazyHorse (Post 8580464)

This post is very encouraging, because you're never right.

Originally Posted by Satanic Goat (Post 8580515)

Really, dipshit? I was right about Haley. I was right about McCluster.

All you ever do is err on the side of homer.

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 8580474)

I don't think anybody they drafted in the first 3 rounds were drafted just be backups. Maybe this year with the OL but Poe will start this year. Both OL were drafted right where future starting guards etc...should be drafted.

Who were we going to draft after round 1 that was going to be a starter? What position outside of FB and NT (QB off the table as we know) do we have legitimate openings for a starter now after the off season pick up of Winston, Boss etc...?

The starting 22 is pretty much set barring injury and the skill positions have backups for the most part, our whole draft was going to be for depth after Poe.

Originally Posted by Satanic Goat (Post 8580431)

Pioli doesn't deserve shit until he delivers a playoff win.

Originally Posted by Satanic Goat (Post 8580515)

Really, dipshit? I was right about Haley. I was right about McCluster.

All you ever do is err on the side of homer.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8580529)

I don't think you were right about Haley.

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 8580528)

If we would have won one more game last year. We would have beaten Pitt at Arrowhead. We could have won several games last year. We are not that far away due to the quality of the division.